68000 vs 65c816

68000 vs 65c816

Post by Clockmeiste » Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:39:47

Which wins in terms of raw number crunching performance

and why...




68000 vs 65c816

Post by Marcelo Samsoni » Sun, 24 Aug 2003 02:06:20

i think 68000 is better:

65816 is a very faster processor, two times faster than
68000, i think. but is just a 16 bit processor, with only one
16 bit register and two 16 bit index registers. you dont have
complex instructions, like 32 bit add or mul/div.

in the other way, 68000 is a 32 bit processor, with
complex instructions and lots of 32 bit registers. you need
more clocks by instructions in 68000, but to do what 68000
do with only one instruction, you need many instructions
in 65816.

best regards,

        marcelo samsoniuk

> Which wins in terms of raw number crunching performance

> and why...

> Regards,

> Clockmeister.


1. 68000 vs. 68020 question.

Happy New Year.

I've been upgrading my 68000 system by replacing the 68000 with a 68020
using 16 bit bus cycles (and the addition of some glue to generate
things like E and VMA).
The system runs on the same clock frequency.
The upgrade works, but leaves the following question:
The expected performance gain due to the cache is not realised.
I expected the 020 to run about the same speed as the 68000 with the
cache disabled and about 20-30% faster due to the cache.

However this does not hold.
The system (an Atari ST) has the video memory access interleaved with
the cpu. This means that every 4 clock cycles the video makes a memory
access. Normally this runs quite smooth.

The upgraded system shows some performance degradation, due to different
Measurements with an analyser have lead to the following theory:
Somewhere in the 020 user manual it is stated that instruction prefetch
is always a longword operation. This results in two bus cycles when
using a 16 bit bus. In the simplest case two instructions are fetched.
One is executed during the prefetch. The other one cannot complete in
time, thus needing an extra clock cycle to complete.
This extra cycle however, causes that the next instruction prefetch is
delayed since otherwise it would interfere with the video thus giving
additional delay.

My questions:
- is the above scenario a plausible explanation (the instruction used in
  the test was a NOP).
- will the 020 start instruction execution while the second bus cycle is
  still in progress?
- if I want to speed up the 020 by going to 16 Mhz (synchronously with
  the system clock) at which signals should I pay attention.
  I know that I should look at DSACK/DTACK since they may be asserted
  before data are valid on a read cycle. Also AS loooks like something
  to look at. Anyone knows about other signals to keep an eye on?
  Any suggestions about the problems that may occur on write cycles??

Many thanks!

        Centre for Software Technology
        ( or try: ...!mcvax!philmds!prle!cst!meulenbr)


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