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by **Davi** » Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:28:13

While this is not really a Cisco question, this seemed like the kind of
where someone with the answer might pass through. Suggestions as to a
better place to post the question are also appreciated.

I live in a small town and do some volunteer work for the town, assisting in
network and systems issues. I am a network/systems administrator when out
earning a living. I am trying to find the least expensive way to attach one
computer located in the firehouse to the 100BaseT network in the town hall.
The distance between the buildings is about 300 yards through town owned
woods and across an unpaved parking lot. What would be the lowest cost
reliable option to achieve this connection?

Thanks for any suggestions!

by **slr** » Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:33:38

>While this is not really a Cisco question, this seemed like the kind of
>where someone with the answer might pass through. Suggestions as to a
>better place to post the question are also appreciated.

>I live in a small town and do some volunteer work for the town, assisting in
>network and systems issues. I am a network/systems administrator when out
>earning a living. I am trying to find the least expensive way to attach one
>computer located in the firehouse to the 100BaseT network in the town hall.
>The distance between the buildings is about 300 yards through town owned
>woods and across an unpaved parking lot. What would be the lowest cost
>reliable option to achieve this connection?

Wi-fi --wireless connection. Setup the base, get the NIC (wireless).
Depends on the router and model, etc. but if you're only talking about
1 PC (for Internet no doubt?).

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by **none** » Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:59:19

Is this a "life-critical" system or for non-critical access? If it's for
non-critical access, setup a VPN through the Internet using a PIX at the
town hall and the Cisco VPN client at the firehouse - both locations need
Internet access - you can use a dynamic DNS service to allow for a
non-static IP at both ends if you don't have the money for a static at the
town hall.

Quote:> While this is not really a Cisco question, this seemed like the kind of
> where someone with the answer might pass through. Suggestions as to a
> better place to post the question are also appreciated.

> I live in a small town and do some volunteer work for the town, assisting
in
> network and systems issues. I am a network/systems administrator when out
> earning a living. I am trying to find the least expensive way to attach
one
> computer located in the firehouse to the 100BaseT network in the town
hall.
> The distance between the buildings is about 300 yards through town owned
> woods and across an unpaved parking lot. What would be the lowest cost
> reliable option to achieve this connection?

> Thanks for any suggestions!

by **Davi** » Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:36:34

I don't believe that Wi-fi will make it 300 yards. I know that my 802.11g
does not even make it 300 feet.

> >While this is not really a Cisco question, this seemed like the kind of
> >where someone with the answer might pass through. Suggestions as to a
> >better place to post the question are also appreciated.

> >I live in a small town and do some volunteer work for the town, assisting
in
> >network and systems issues. I am a network/systems administrator when
out
> >earning a living. I am trying to find the least expensive way to attach
one
> >computer located in the firehouse to the 100BaseT network in the town
hall.
> >The distance between the buildings is about 300 yards through town owned
> >woods and across an unpaved parking lot. What would be the lowest cost
> >reliable option to achieve this connection?

> Wi-fi --wireless connection. Setup the base, get the NIC (wireless).
> Depends on the router and model, etc. but if you're only talking about
> 1 PC (for Internet no doubt?).

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> slrn is a command line newsreader.
> please reply, to the newsgroup(s).

by **Davi** » Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:40:24

The volunteer fire department is trying to save money by sharing the town
office's cable modem connection. I suspect that it would be cheaper to pay
for an additional cable connection. So far, what I suggested that they do
is write Internet access for the town hall, fire department and school into
the cable company's next contract with the town and forget about stringing
the offices together directly.

This is not a life critical system.

> Is this a "life-critical" system or for non-critical access? If it's for
> non-critical access, setup a VPN through the Internet using a PIX at the
> town hall and the Cisco VPN client at the firehouse - both locations need
> Internet access - you can use a dynamic DNS service to allow for a
> non-static IP at both ends if you don't have the money for a static at the
> town hall.

> > While this is not really a Cisco question, this seemed like the kind of
> > where someone with the answer might pass through. Suggestions as to a
> > better place to post the question are also appreciated.

> > I live in a small town and do some volunteer work for the town,
assisting
> in
> > network and systems issues. I am a network/systems administrator when
out
> > earning a living. I am trying to find the least expensive way to attach
> one
> > computer located in the firehouse to the 100BaseT network in the town
> hall.
> > The distance between the buildings is about 300 yards through town owned
> > woods and across an unpaved parking lot. What would be the lowest cost
> > reliable option to achieve this connection?

> > Thanks for any suggestions!

by **Jeff** » Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:05:03

>> On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:28:13 GMT, David

>> >While this is not really a Cisco question, this seemed like the kind
>> >of where someone with the answer might pass through. Suggestions as
>> >to a better place to post the question are also appreciated.

>> >I live in a small town and do some volunteer work for the town,
>> >assisting in network and systems issues. I am a network/systems
>> >administrator when out earning a living. I am trying to find the
>> >least expensive way to attach one computer located in the firehouse
>> >to the 100BaseT network in the town hall.
>> >The distance between the buildings is about 300 yards through town
>> >owned woods and across an unpaved parking lot. What would be the
>> >lowest cost reliable option to achieve this connection?

>> Wi-fi --wireless connection. Setup the base, get the NIC (wireless).
>> Depends on the router and model, etc. but if you're only talking
>> about 1 PC (for Internet no doubt?).

> I don't believe that Wi-fi will make it 300 yards. I know that my
> 802.11g does not even make it 300 feet.

With the proper antenna 802.11b or g can reach several miles.

by **Hansang Ba** » Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:49:06

Quote:> The volunteer fire department is trying to save money by sharing the town
> office's cable modem connection. I suspect that it would be cheaper to pay
> for an additional cable connection. So far, what I suggested that they do
> is write Internet access for the town hall, fire department and school into
> the cable company's next contract with the town and forget about stringing
> the offices together directly.

> This is not a life critical system.

WI-FI with yagi antenna's (or pringle cans).

http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/448

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by **John Oliv** » Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:22:07

> While this is not really a Cisco question, this seemed like the kind of
> where someone with the answer might pass through. Suggestions as to a
> better place to post the question are also appreciated.

> I live in a small town and do some volunteer work for the town, assisting in
> network and systems issues. I am a network/systems administrator when out
> earning a living. I am trying to find the least expensive way to attach one
> computer located in the firehouse to the 100BaseT network in the town hall.
> The distance between the buildings is about 300 yards through town owned
> woods and across an unpaved parking lot. What would be the lowest cost
> reliable option to achieve this connection?

One possibility... there are DSL endpoints that you can make talk to
each other without a DSLAM. You can see if the town govt can sweettalk
the phone company into providing dry copper at each location and doing
this. I remember reading an article about someone doing this back in
late 2000/early 2001

But the wireless idea is probably the easiest and cheapest.

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by **Christoph Weber-Fah** » Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:38:05

> I am trying to find the least expensive way to attach one
> computer located in the firehouse to the 100BaseT network in the town hall.
> The distance between the buildings is about 300 yards through town owned
> woods and across an unpaved parking lot.

I assume this is one of these "only American answers, please" questions.

OTOH you apparently have enough takers, so it shouldn't matter to you.

Regards

Christoph Weber-Fahr

by **none** » Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:01:07

Quote:
> I assume this is one of these "only American answers, please" questions.

Why is that?

by **Ivan Ostre** » Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:17:07

says...

> > I assume this is one of these "only American answers, please" questions.

> Why is that?

I assume (as an europeean) that "yards" were in question :-).

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by **Paul S. Brow** » Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:42:47

> says...

>> > I assume this is one of these "only American answers, please"
>> > questions.

>> Why is that?

> I assume (as an europeean) that "yards" were in question :-).

Oy! Britain is in Europe too and uses yards.

P.

by **Ivan Ostre** » Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:43:27

> > says...

> >> > I assume this is one of these "only American answers, please"
> >> > questions.

> >> Why is that?

> > I assume (as an europeean) that "yards" were in question :-).

> Oy! Britain is in Europe too and uses yards.

> P.

Yes, I know that. Britain acts like not being in Europe (but that's
story for some other group). Almost whole Europe uses Metric system so
that was the idea of my post.

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by **Scoob** » Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:57:07

David,

If there is a chance in the future that you would want to do more across
this link, it may be beneficial to set up the link now. You can explore
outdoor wireless solutions (Cisco 1310) or possibly LRE (which would require
running a physical line). You'd need to probably bury a conduit to run the
ethernet cable, but you'd be able to run fiber through that later on.

Caculate what a cable modem would cost you over the next 3-4 years and see
if you can pay for a private connection with that. If so, I think it would
be worth it. If you are paying "business" rates, then you are probably
paying at least $80/mo for service, maybe more.

Hope that helps,

Jim

> The volunteer fire department is trying to save money by sharing the town
> office's cable modem connection. I suspect that it would be cheaper to
pay
> for an additional cable connection. So far, what I suggested that they do
> is write Internet access for the town hall, fire department and school
into
> the cable company's next contract with the town and forget about
stringing
> the offices together directly.

> This is not a life critical system.

> > Is this a "life-critical" system or for non-critical access? If it's
for
> > non-critical access, setup a VPN through the Internet using a PIX at the
> > town hall and the Cisco VPN client at the firehouse - both locations
need
> > Internet access - you can use a dynamic DNS service to allow for a
> > non-static IP at both ends if you don't have the money for a static at
the
> > town hall.

> > > While this is not really a Cisco question, this seemed like the kind
of
> > > where someone with the answer might pass through. Suggestions as to a
> > > better place to post the question are also appreciated.

> > > I live in a small town and do some volunteer work for the town,
> assisting
> > in
> > > network and systems issues. I am a network/systems administrator when
> out
> > > earning a living. I am trying to find the least expensive way to
attach
> > one
> > > computer located in the firehouse to the 100BaseT network in the town
> > hall.
> > > The distance between the buildings is about 300 yards through town
owned
> > > woods and across an unpaved parking lot. What would be the lowest cost
> > > reliable option to achieve this connection?

> > > Thanks for any suggestions!

by m » Fri, 13 Aug 2004 00:46:22

check out Long Reach Ethernet products from Cisco and others:

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/779/servpro/solutions/long_ethernet/

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