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Before you buy.

How about voice over DSL?

Excuse me, yes I'm back in my chair. I think VoDSL is a nice technique to
use while VoIP is developed. At present time VoDSL has some nice pro's
but in the long run I see VoIP as the standard. Why you will ask, well
for one VoDSL is 'just' another technique to offer fairly cheap transport
off multiple voice/data channels over one pair of copper wire, but there
is no integration between data and voice, so on a service level there is
no gain. I think VoIP over DSL stands a better chance than just VoDSL.
Arnold

Bob

--
"Since when has genius been found respectable"
                                   E. B. Browning

Regards RB.

It strikes me that I must have been dreaming then, as I have
taught at least a dozen classes for customer engineers that
have bought our VoDSL software and every last one was
using the Broadband Loop Emulation Service (BLES) that
is spec'd in ATM Forum's VMOA-0145.000.

Also check out people like Copper Com and Jetstream or
Telcordia (Bellcore) GR303.

And when you finally figure out what is going on, come back
and let us all know. :-)

Bob

--
"Since when has genius been found respectable"
                                   E. B. Browning

Why should we not start using tems like VoISDN, VoPSTN, VoPRI,  VoX.21,
VoEhternet, VoUDP ..?
Many PBXs these days are utilizing "VoPRI" (trunking).
By carefully choosing the right protocol level you could invent almost any
VoXXX term in order to confuse even more.
(Probably being older than you are, I am not easily confused.)

Honestly, can't you tell us what exactly you are talking about? And what you
are trying to acomplish with your solution.

Happy Christmas
RB

VoDSL is in significant use as a pair gain technology, even Telcos
are interested as they would rather not bury any more copper than
necessary since Fiber to the Curb will be coming, and VoDSL is
cheaper than SLCs.

Since this is the only newsgroup devoted to Voice over whatever
(other than copper pairs and SCN) get used to other than VoIP.

As to being older than I am, I would not bet on it Sonny :-)

Robert

--
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                                   E. B. Browning

To compare the term VoIP with something you indicate, I believe does not
make much sense.
Packet switched networks like IP can deliver communication over various
types of physical networks and both local and wide area, almost  to every
corner of the world. DSL is a short range use of copper and does not compare
at all, bridging "the last mile". Sure, you can use a DSL link for almost
anything, but you do not need to invent a new and meaningless name for it
every time.

I am not sure if this newsgroup is  devoted to V o whatever. VoIP is a
distinct new way of creating telephone service. If ATM had been available to
the end user in the same way as IP, VoATM would perhaps made sense. But it
is not, and probably never will be because of high cost ++. So for the time
being IP is the only challenge to the traditional circuit switched network.
Your usage of DSL does not belong in this discussion, in my opinion. My
challenge to you, is to explain to us why your technology deserve any space
here.

Have a pieceful Christmas everybody,

RB

Quote:

> So, it is a trunking technology?
> Why not call it Vo I.366.2?
> You do not tell us what type of DSL is in use.

Quote:> You do not tell us who is delivering the service.

    www.coppercom.com

    www.jetsream.com

These two lead the pack at the moment

Quote:> The problem is that most telcos would rather deliver a T.1 or similar.
> What about some numbers?
> Gaining pairs is of course of interest if there is a desparate need, but
> otherwise I would believe this is a costly method.

> To compare the term VoIP with something you indicate, I believe does not
> make much sense.
> Packet switched networks like IP can deliver communication over various
> types of physical networks and both local and wide area, almost  to every
> corner of the world. DSL is a short range use of copper and does not
compare
> at all, bridging "the last mile". Sure, you can use a DSL link for almost
> anything, but you do not need to invent a new and meaningless name for it
> every time.

>But I did not invent the name, CopperCom and Jetstream probably did. :-)

Robert