Where Are the Index Files on SimTel?

Where Are the Index Files on SimTel?

Post by Paul O. BARTLET » Sun, 20 Jul 2003 08:43:22



    I just looked at SimTel after a long interval, and I notice that
the directories I checked in the msdos hierarchy no longer contain the
index files up at the top of the directory listing.  They used to have
a filename of something like 00_index.txt.  They were quite useful as
one-line descriptions of the files in the directory.  Does anybody know
what happened to them?  (Over the years I got a lot of good MS-DOS
utilities form SimTel.)

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Where Are the Index Files on SimTel?

Post by Ted Davi » Sun, 20 Jul 2003 10:18:02


On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:43:22 -0400, "Paul O. BARTLETT"


>    I just looked at SimTel after a long interval, and I notice that
>the directories I checked in the msdos hierarchy no longer contain the
>index files up at the top of the directory listing.  They used to have
>a filename of something like 00_index.txt.  They were quite useful as
>one-line descriptions of the files in the directory.  Does anybody know
>what happened to them?  (Over the years I got a lot of good MS-DOS
>utilities form SimTel.)

It's now primarily a search engine driven web site - the news release
(<http://www.simtel.net/news.story.php?id=2>) is dated 13 July.



 
 
 

Where Are the Index Files on SimTel?

Post by Ian G » Mon, 21 Jul 2003 03:47:09




>On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:43:22 -0400, "Paul O. BARTLETT"

>>    I just looked at SimTel after a long interval, and I notice
>>    that
>>the directories I checked in the msdos hierarchy no longer contain
>>the index files up at the top of the directory listing.  They used
>>to have a filename of something like 00_index.txt.  They were quite
>>useful as one-line descriptions of the files in the directory.
>>Does anybody know what happened to them?  (Over the years I got a
>>lot of good MS-DOS utilities form SimTel.)

>It's now primarily a search engine driven web site - the news
>release (<http://www.simtel.net/news.story.php?id=2>) is dated 13
>July.

The problem is older than that. The new management dropped them shortly
after Keith left.
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Where Are the Index Files on SimTel?

Post by Paul O. BARTLET » Tue, 22 Jul 2003 04:19:27



> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:43:22 -0400, "Paul O. BARTLETT"

> >    I just looked at SimTel after a long interval, and I notice that
> >the directories I checked in the msdos hierarchy no longer contain the
> >index files up at the top of the directory listing.  They used to have
> >a filename of something like 00_index.txt.  T[...]
> It's now primarily a search engine driven web site - the news release
> (<http://www.simtel.net/news.story.php?id=2>) is dated 13 July.

    Either the new interface still has a lot of bugs or it is much
worse.  I just tried to use it to search for some MSDOS-compatible
editors, and the functioning was awful.  At one point I simply got no
response after minutes of waiting.  I couldn't even get back to the
screen with "Contact Us" on it to give them feedback.  And as I
mentioned, under the old ftp interface, there was a *very* useful index
file in each subdirectory giving one-liners, dates, and sizes for each
file in the subdirectory.  When I tried to do a search, I got back only
a few listings.  It seems to be a definite step backwards.  Too bad,
because SimTel was always an excellent source for DOS programs.

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Where Are the Index Files on SimTel?

Post by Noumeno » Tue, 22 Jul 2003 06:51:55



> They used to have
> a filename of something like 00_index.txt.  They were quite useful as
> one-line descriptions of the files in the directory.  Does anybody know
> what happened to them?  

They are gone, as many other good things as well.

It is just a part of bigger picture: internet is
getting worse and worse (less informative, less
conveninent, less professional, but only more
entertaining).

SIMTEL: Nobody really cares and they want everybody
to browse files through web-interface, not FTP.

Only on few old (not updated recently) Simtel
mirrors you can see file indexes.

Many people are annoyed by this, but what can we do?

Welcome to the realm of hopeless windoze users and
of incompetent lazybones!

Weaving the Conundrum
   -=| NOUMENON |=-

 
 
 

Where Are the Index Files on SimTel?

Post by Ted Davi » Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:49:03


On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 15:19:27 -0400, "Paul O. BARTLETT"



>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:43:22 -0400, "Paul O. BARTLETT"

>> >    I just looked at SimTel after a long interval, and I notice that
>> >the directories I checked in the msdos hierarchy no longer contain the
>> >index files up at the top of the directory listing.  They used to have
>> >a filename of something like 00_index.txt.  T[...]

>> It's now primarily a search engine driven web site - the news release
>> (<http://www.simtel.net/news.story.php?id=2>) is dated 13 July.

>    Either the new interface still has a lot of bugs or it is much
>worse.  I just tried to use it to search for some MSDOS-compatible
>editors, and the functioning was awful.  At one point I simply got no
>response after minutes of waiting.  I couldn't even get back to the
>screen with "Contact Us" on it to give them feedback.  And as I
>mentioned, under the old ftp interface, there was a *very* useful index
>file in each subdirectory giving one-liners, dates, and sizes for each
>file in the subdirectory.  When I tried to do a search, I got back only
>a few listings.  It seems to be a definite step backwards.  Too bad,
>because SimTel was always an excellent source for DOS programs.

For a long while, the index file, or something like it, was used as
the web page for each section - pretty much the same sketchy
information.  Now I don't see how one would browse it at all.

Search engines have their place, but so do browseable indexes.

I su-pose I will have to use the new interface on those occasions when
I have to find an old program, but since I seldom remember the file
name or how it was described, I'm not likely to find what I'm looking
for.


 
 
 

Where Are the Index Files on SimTel?

Post by Dr John Stockto » Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:43:41




at Fri, 18 Jul 2003 20:18:02 :-

Quote:>  (Over the years I got a lot of good MS-DOS
>>utilities form SimTel.)

>It's now primarily a search engine driven web site - the news release
>(<http://www.simtel.net/news.story.php?id=2>) is dated 13 July.

From what I have seen so far, the style of the site cannot, IMHO, be in
conformance with ADA / DAA / etc. requirements, since it forces the
important text on my screen to be unreasonably small, over-riding user
choice and preventing adjustment with Ctrl-mousewheel.

Compliance with ADA requirements for such a service may not be
mandatory; but it would be beneficial.

What I have seen is a triumph of form over utility.

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Where Are the Index Files on SimTel?

Post by J. Yaze » Wed, 23 Jul 2003 06:31:13


Quote:

>> >    I just looked at SimTel after a long interval, and I notice that
>> >the directories I checked in the msdos hierarchy no longer contain the
>> >index files up at the top of the directory listing.  They used to have
>> >a filename of something like 00_index.txt.  T[...]
>  ==== SNIP ====

  I used to use Simtel a lot, but since they changed to a Web page,
I  never use it any more.

  The only exception is if somebody refers to a specific program.

      Jack

 
 
 

Where Are the Index Files on SimTel?

Post by Ted Davi » Wed, 23 Jul 2003 08:40:29


On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:43:41 +0100, Dr John Stockton


>What I have seen is a triumph of form over utility.

In other words, a fine example of a modern web page - the only thing
they left out was a collection of extremely annoying Flash ornaments
and a concerted effort to make it IE specific to the point that it
would be completely useless to users of other browsers.


 
 
 

Where Are the Index Files on SimTel?

Post by Dan S » Sat, 26 Jul 2003 14:44:32




>>On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:43:22 -0400, "Paul O. BARTLETT"

>>>    I just looked at SimTel after a long interval, and I notice
>>>    that
>>>the directories I checked in the msdos hierarchy no longer contain
>>>the index files up at the top of the directory listing.  They used
>>>to have a filename of something like 00_index.txt.  They were quite
>>>useful as one-line descriptions of the files in the directory.
>>>Does anybody know what happened to them?  (Over the years I got a
>>>lot of good MS-DOS utilities form SimTel.)

>>It's now primarily a search engine driven web site - the news
>>release (<http://www.simtel.net/news.story.php?id=2>) is dated 13
>>July.

>The problem is older than that. The new management dropped them shortly
>after Keith left.

----------
        I find that you can find a set of such 00_index.txt
        files on the web, listings in most cases.
        I have the CDRoms that Simtel put out through Walnut
        Creek, latest September 1996.
        I suspect you can still find the collections on E-Bay
        and dead software sites.
        They seemed to drop many files in the CD Rom collections
        in later years, moving from 10,000 files to 6,000 files
                                             Dan Say
 
 
 

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