Info on PHILIPS CDD 2600

Info on PHILIPS CDD 2600

Post by K. Arnaoutoglo » Fri, 11 Jul 1997 04:00:00



Hello,

I am planning to buy the PHILIPS CDD 2600 cd-r drive, the internal SCSI
version.

Has anyone had any experiences with such a drive? I would appreciate any
info...

TIA

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Info on PHILIPS CDD 2600

Post by Wonoh Ki » Sat, 12 Jul 1997 04:00:00


Well, I recommend not to buy Ph_lips CDD2600. I had a very BAD
experience with both CDD2600 and Ph_lips Co. Actually before I bought
CDD2600, someone in this newsgroup suggested me not to buy it. He told
me that it will malfunctioning after 1 month.
I bought Ph_lips CDD2600. It works fine one month but after that I
couldn't read some of the CDs. Also Ph_lips doesn't sent me $200 rebate.
I tried to contact Ph_lips Co, but there was no reply at all as if
Ph_lips Co doesn't exist or they neglect the customers. I sent an e-mail
said that if he didn't reply me, I would post the e-mail to this
newsgroup. After several month, they threat me that it's against law to
forward the e-mail and there are no apology of late reply and no
suggestion what I should do.. Now I think that you understand why I
write Ph_lips Co. You can find many complain about CDD2600 in this
newsgroup.
It works fine and is a good machine. But remember if something wrong,
don't expect any help from Ph_lips Co unless you live in Germany -- My
freind live in Germany got a customer service. And also it couldn't read
some of the CD medias. So always buy expensive media. And forget about
rebate or whatever they promiss to you. Even so, if you want it buy it.


> Hello,

> I am planning to buy the PHILIPS CDD 2600 cd-r drive, the internal
> SCSI
> version.

> Has anyone had any experiences with such a drive? I would appreciate
> any
> info...

> TIA

> --
> =======================
> Kyprianos Arnaoutoglou

> =======================


 
 
 

Info on PHILIPS CDD 2600

Post by H » Sat, 12 Jul 1997 04:00:00



>Hello,

>I am planning to buy the PHILIPS CDD 2600 cd-r drive, the internal SCSI
>version.

>Has anyone had any experiences with such a drive? I would appreciate any
>info...

Yes, a lot of people. I have this drive, and have thus read lots of
different views:

- many people (like me) have absolutely no problems with this drive
and thus love it! It has also been tested by several magazines as one
of the best ones in its price range. It reads 6x audio and data and
writes at 2x, the written CDRs run in any CD Player, I have tried
about 6 different brands of blank CDR media, all worked fine!

- many (but not all) people have problems reading audio CDs at 6x
speed, they get jitter and dropouts. Reducing the reading speed to 2x
or using another CD-ROM to extract the audio takes care of the
problem. Nobody has reported writing problems.

- a few people have reported problems using the CDD2600 on an
Adaptec-2940AW SCSI card, but others have been able to use this
combination without problems.

- some people cannot get the packet-CD mode to work correcty. For
others, it works without problems.

- it is safe to say: All users of this drive agree in one thing: that
the support from Philips sucks big time!

As a result, here is my advice: if you get a good price on this model,
try it! (but you should first inquire about returning the drive to
your dealer (money-back-guarantee).

If it works in your system, you will be very happy with it. If not,
don't bother to ask Philips for support, just return the thing for
something else...

HK
PS: You will probably get some replies to your post that say "This
drive is bad, don't buy Philips!". Remember that these people probably
fall into one of the categories where their drive didn't work and of
course they got absolutely no support from Philips. Their reaction is
understandable, but keep in mind that there are also many many people
who are really happy with this model and highly recommend it.  

 
 
 

Info on PHILIPS CDD 2600

Post by Wonoh Ki » Sat, 12 Jul 1997 04:00:00


I think that HK's suggestion is most reasonable. For me I don't like
Philips CDD2600 because most of it is their bad services. So try it in
safe way -- buy from where you can return it -- and if won't satisfy you
just return it. But please, my advice is that never try to contact with
Philips Co and never dream about their support.

Quote:> Yes, a lot of people. I have this drive, and have thus read lots of
> different views:
> - many people (like me) have absolutely no problems with this drive
> and thus love it! It has also been tested by several magazines as one
> of the best ones in its price range. It reads 6x audio and data and
> writes at 2x, the written CDRs run in any CD Player, I have tried
> about 6 different brands of blank CDR media, all worked fine!
> - many (but not all) people have problems reading audio CDs at 6x
> speed, they get jitter and dropouts. Reducing the reading speed to 2x
> or using another CD-ROM to extract the audio takes care of the
> problem. Nobody has reported writing problems.
> - a few people have reported problems using the CDD2600 on an
> Adaptec-2940AW SCSI card, but others have been able to use this
> combination without problems.
> - some people cannot get the packet-CD mode to work correcty. For
> others, it works without problems.
> - it is safe to say: All users of this drive agree in one thing: that
> the support from Philips sucks big time!
> As a result, here is my advice: if you get a good price on this model,

> try it! (but you should first inquire about returning the drive to
> your dealer (money-back-guarantee).
> If it works in your system, you will be very happy with it. If not,
> don't bother to ask Philips for support, just return the thing for
> something else...

Wonoh Kim
 
 
 

Info on PHILIPS CDD 2600

Post by Kri » Sat, 12 Jul 1997 04:00:00



>As a result, here is my advice: if you get a good price on this model,
>try it! (but you should first inquire about returning the drive to
>your dealer (money-back-guarantee).

That's very good advice. I fall into the 'unhappy' AH-2940 class.
Unfortunately my supplier (Web-Store/CD-Revolution) has largely
ignored my complaints - and even my final talk of legal action to get
a refund have met with silence. So - make sure you buy from a dealer
you *know* you can trust .
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Info on PHILIPS CDD 2600

Post by Dave » Sat, 12 Jul 1997 04:00:00



> I think the main problem with the Philips 2600 is the
> people that buy it. It is much more likely for a computer
> novice to buy a Philips than say a Yamaha or Ricoh. Because
> of this, many people set up the burner, scsi card, win95,
> etc wrong. This leads to problems and the user automatically jumps
> to the conclusion that the burner sucks. If Yamahas, Kodaks,
> or Ricohs were as common as Philips recorders are at places
> like Best Buy, Curcuit City, etc you would be seeing
> many more post saying these brands suck.

Absolutely true. This goes even beyond CDRs. With any type of product,
it's only those that are unhappy that get their opinions noticed.

I have a CDD2600 and have had absolutely no problems with it. I have run
into just about every one of the situations that have been noted by
others to be problematic, and it has not screwed up during any of them.

Dave Rosenbloom
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Post by Wade Eric Byn » Sat, 12 Jul 1997 04:00:00


I think the main problem with the Philips 2600 is the
people that buy it. It is much more likely for a computer
novice to buy a Philips than say a Yamaha or Ricoh. Because
of this, many people set up the burner, scsi card, win95,
etc wrong. This leads to problems and the user automatically jumps
to the conclusion that the burner sucks. If Yamahas, Kodaks,
or Ricohs were as common as Philips recorders are at places
like Best Buy, Curcuit City, etc you would be seeing
many more post saying these brands suck.

--
Kcobra

"I have been and always shall be your friend."
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Info on PHILIPS CDD 2600

Post by Kri » Sun, 13 Jul 1997 04:00:00



Quote:>I think the main problem with the Philips 2600 is the
>people that buy it. It is much more likely for a computer
>novice to buy a Philips than say a Yamaha or Ricoh. Because
>of this, many people set up the burner, scsi card, win95,
>etc wrong. This leads to problems and the user automatically jumps
>to the conclusion that the burner sucks. If Yamahas, Kodaks,
>or Ricohs were as common as Philips recorders are at places
>like Best Buy, Curcuit City, etc you would be seeing
>many more post saying these brands suck.

It seems to me that the whole CD writing area is still immature. The
Philips CDD2600 may be no better or worse than other brands. However
the software compatibility problems of the Philips are particularly
severe. I wanted to have the potential to do all formats on all MS
operating systems. I bought Philips & Adaptec on the recommendation of
a *specialist* supplier - and after all, with good names like that,
how could I go wrong. After 30 years in computer support all I can say
is that this has been one of the worst messes I have come across -
especially coupled with the lack of support information from the
manufacturers.
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Info on PHILIPS CDD 2600

Post by michael monc » Sun, 13 Jul 1997 04:00:00



>I have a CDD2600 and have had absolutely no problems with it. I have run
>into just about every one of the situations that have been noted by
>others to be problematic, and it has not screwed up during any of them.

Agreed. I bought the CDD2600 the other day, basically on impulse. I
usually do a lot of research before buying a product, but this time I
didn't. I did read some back messages in this newsgroup the day I
bought it, and expected trouble.

I bought a 5-pack of CD-R media, expecting to waste a few while I de-
bugged things. I was surprised to find that my first attempt (a full-
length audio CD from WAV files) worked 100% perfectly and plays fine
in every drive I've played it in. (No clicks between tracks, even!)

For my second attempt, I copied a data CDROM from my other drive (IDE)
to the CD-R. No problem again...

So it seems to work fine for me, despite all of the things I'm doing
"wrong" (AHA2940 SCSI card, both IDE and SCSI CDROMs, etc.) Hopefully
my luck will continue.
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Post by To » Mon, 14 Jul 1997 04:00:00


I also agree, the price of the Philips CD-R drive is exactly what made
me purchase it over the other drives.  My first few burns were
coasters, but instead of blaming the drive I spent weeks on the
internet researching everything I could find on burning CD's.  My last
50 burns went without a single coaster.  Easy CD Creator 'beta' even
lets me do IDE CD to CD copies on the fly.  Oh, also my IDE reader is
only a 4X, no problems at all.

Tom



>I think the main problem with the Philips 2600 is the
>people that buy it. It is much more likely for a computer
>novice to buy a Philips than say a Yamaha or Ricoh. Because
>of this, many people set up the burner, scsi card, win95,
>etc wrong. This leads to problems and the user automatically jumps
>to the conclusion that the burner sucks. If Yamahas, Kodaks,
>or Ricohs were as common as Philips recorders are at places
>like Best Buy, Curcuit City, etc you would be seeing
>many more post saying these brands suck.

>--
>Kcobra

>"I have been and always shall be your friend."
>                                             --Spock

 
 
 

Info on PHILIPS CDD 2600

Post by Horac » Tue, 15 Jul 1997 04:00:00



> On 10 Jul 1997 22:04:40 GMT, "K. Arnaoutoglou"

> >Hello,

> >I am planning to buy the PHILIPS CDD 2600 cd-r drive, the internal SCSI
> >version.

> >Has anyone had any experiences with such a drive? I would appreciate any
> >info...

> >TIA
> I have recently purchased my Phillips CD2600.  This month July 1997.

> It is a heck of a nice setup.  It comes with a AHA-2910 PCI SCSI
> controller, it also comes with a seagate cd backup  program, and
> Adaptec CD creator 2.1 The newest version.  I have the Internal SCSI
> version with One meg of buffer ram on it.  Everything works perfect.
> I have some experience with CDR's and it helps to know what you are
> doing.

> So, buy the newest version of the product, Mine is a no rebate deal
> and the manufactured date is June or July 1997.  I forget.  Make sure
> it comes with the AHA-2910 7800 scsi series PCI SCSI adapter by
> adaptec.  I believe that all the problems with the CDR  come from the
> "older" software that was shipped with it.  Be careful when ordering
> mail order because they might send you an older version of the writer.

> I previoully used and still have a Tropez 1420 by Ricoh with a 512k
> buffer and had one too many buffer underuns with it.  (The ricoh 1420
> is for sale for $300.00 for anyone reading).  The phillips 2600 is a
> much better unit and it does packet.  I already backed up my hard
> drive using the seagate backup software that comes with it.

> Attached to the box (on the outside) is the newest version of Adaptec
> Easy CD Creator ver 2.1.  Again make sure that you buy the kit that
> comes with all these goodies, or you may be sorry.  I purchased mine
> at Offic Depot, here in California.

> Good Luck

> Doos

Doos,

Can you tell me the firmware version of your CDD2600.
I get trouble in extract audio tracks at high speed.
I hope this will not occur in your recorder.

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"*" form the ends of shown one.

Horace

 
 
 

Info on PHILIPS CDD 2600

Post by eliza jaco » Fri, 18 Jul 1997 04:00:00




>I also agree, the price of the Philips CD-R drive is exactly what made
>me purchase it over the other drives.  My first few burns were
>coasters, but instead of blaming the drive I spent weeks on the
>internet researching everything I could find on burning CD's.  My last
>50 burns went without a single coaster.  Easy CD Creator 'beta' even
>lets me do IDE CD to CD copies on the fly.  Oh, also my IDE reader is
>only a 4X, no problems at all.

>Tom



>>I think the main problem with the Philips 2600 is the
>>people that buy it. It is much more likely for a computer
>>novice to buy a Philips than say a Yamaha or Ricoh. Because
>>of this, many people set up the burner, scsi card, win95,
>>etc wrong. This leads to problems and the user automatically jumps
>>to the conclusion that the burner sucks. If Yamahas, Kodaks,
>>or Ricohs were as common as Philips recorders are at places
>>like Best Buy, Curcuit City, etc you would be seeing
>>many more post saying these brands suck.

>>--
>>Kcobra

>>"I have been and always shall be your friend."
>>                                             --Spock

I agree.  My son recently purchased a Philips CDD 2600 as part of a
TraxData bundle deal Octave was running.  Together we read everything,
took our time setting it up, when in doubt called Octave (there were
very willing and helpful) and yet the first burn wasn't a go.
However, we asked more questions, read more stuff, and the next burns
were perfect (six so far).  He's very pleased.  He got the recorder
bundled with software, adaptor, cable and media for $400.  I do love
my Yamaha, but I paid almost three times that by the time I got
everything, and the end product seems about the same.

eliza

 
 
 

Info on PHILIPS CDD 2600

Post by iJustDo » Tue, 22 Jul 1997 04:00:00


On 10 Jul 1997 22:04:40 GMT, "K. Arnaoutoglou"


>Hello,

>I am planning to buy the PHILIPS CDD 2600 cd-r drive, the internal SCSI
>version.

>Has anyone had any experiences with such a drive? I would appreciate any
>info...

>TIA

I have recently purchased my Phillips CD2600.  This month July 1997.

It is a heck of a nice setup.  It comes with a AHA-2910 PCI SCSI
controller, it also comes with a seagate cd backup  program, and
Adaptec CD creator 2.1 The newest version.  I have the Internal SCSI
version with One meg of buffer ram on it.  Everything works perfect.
I have some experience with CDR's and it helps to know what you are
doing.

So, buy the newest version of the product, Mine is a no rebate deal
and the manufactured date is June or July 1997.  I forget.  Make sure
it comes with the AHA-2910 7800 scsi series PCI SCSI adapter by
adaptec.  I believe that all the problems with the CDR  come from the
"older" software that was shipped with it.  Be careful when ordering
mail order because they might send you an older version of the writer.

I previoully used and still have a Tropez 1420 by Ricoh with a 512k
buffer and had one too many buffer underuns with it.  (The ricoh 1420
is for sale for $300.00 for anyone reading).  The phillips 2600 is a
much better unit and it does packet.  I already backed up my hard
drive using the seagate backup software that comes with it.

Attached to the box (on the outside) is the newest version of Adaptec
Easy CD Creator ver 2.1.  Again make sure that you buy the kit that
comes with all these goodies, or you may be sorry.  I purchased mine
at Offic Depot, here in California.

Good Luck

Doos

 
 
 

Info on PHILIPS CDD 2600

Post by Leo Bru » Wed, 23 Jul 1997 04:00:00


Hi,  I'm from Portugal, where we take huge interest in these things. About
the Philips CDD 2600: I was going to buy the HP variant, whren the guy in
the shop told me, well, this is exactly the same hardware as the philips,
only with the stuff, etc. He proposed the OEM Philips CDD 2600 - that is:
cheaper, but no frills. Well, I already had Easy CD 4.0 from Adaptec (I
purchase their adapters by the dozen, the're cool), so I said, what the
heck.

Got home, plugged in, no problemo, but I only had a... CD-ROM. No burner.
Got mad, decided to go for GEAR software, they seem to be the tops. Got it,
put it to work, version 4.o wouldn't see the burner. Now I was getting mad,
after this extra expense to buy the Rolls Royce of the progrms, I was landed
cold.
After a trip to the Internet, getting upgrades and drivers, I couldn't get
the Easy-Cd going, but I managed to get the GEAR going. Great!.. I still
don't know which download did the trick, so my advice is: go and get them
all!...

Now for the burning story: I wanted to copy some originals that I have and
use a lot, that's pretty precious to me and it seems will not be out again
(my "Battle Isle 2" collection), so I want to make sure I don't ever lose
them.

I put a 16x IDE CD-ROM (no-brand) as the source and the thing (after
successful test) ruined my first CD-R. Buffer underrun, or something of that
kind.

Thought a lot and decided to try again, this time I removed the stupid
CD-ROM and put in a new (no-brand also) 16x CD-ROM drive. This one had good
proof given before, but not at this type of task. I also, just in case,
changed the settings to allow SYNC, in the device settings (Windows'95).
I also doubled the Buffers that GEAR defaults to. This prpbably made some
difference.

It went OK and has been ever since.

So, my advice is: when "duplicating" CDs, take care that you've got a GOOD
source CD-ROM Drive. Ideal is SCSI 12x, but SOME IDE drives might do the
trick, with a good motherboard (read: good IDE dual-channel controller) and
at least a P-166. In this one I also have 96 Megs RAM, that oughta help.

Best regards.
Leo Brum


>I also agree, the price of the Philips CD-R drive is exactly what made
>me purchase it over the other drives.  My first few burns were
>coasters, but instead of blaming the drive I spent weeks on the
>internet researching everything I could find on burning CD's.  My last
>50 burns went without a single coaster.  Easy CD Creator 'beta' even
>lets me do IDE CD to CD copies on the fly.  Oh, also my IDE reader is
>only a 4X, no problems at all.

>Tom



>>I think the main problem with the Philips 2600 is the
>>people that buy it. It is much more likely for a computer
>>novice to buy a Philips than say a Yamaha or Ricoh. Because
>>of this, many people set up the burner, scsi card, win95,
>>etc wrong. This leads to problems and the user automatically jumps
>>to the conclusion that the burner sucks. If Yamahas, Kodaks,
>>or Ricohs were as common as Philips recorders are at places
>>like Best Buy, Curcuit City, etc you would be seeing
>>many more post saying these brands suck.

>>--
>>Kcobra

>>"I have been and always shall be your friend."
>>                                             --Spock

 
 
 

Info on PHILIPS CDD 2600

Post by Barry Jon » Thu, 24 Jul 1997 04:00:00


Doos, tell me about the Seagate CD backup software!

Can you back up from win95 or dos (dos 7)?

Can you restore a win95 system from dos?

Thanks

Barry
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