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Hey!  For the first time, NewComm works with LYNX as a VT100 session!
This is a GREAT improvement!

Daniel Kim

Quote:> Hey!  For the first time, NewComm works with LYNX as a VT100 session!
> This is a GREAT improvement!

> Daniel Kim

Still, I am glad for the VT100 improvement.  But we cannot get too e*d
about it ...

-- Tyson Schoeber

Quote:>> > Hey!  For the first time, NewComm works with LYNX as a VT100 session!
>> > This is a GREAT improvement!
>> In some ways it is ... but it depends on your perspective.  With this
>...
>> Still, I am glad for the VT100 improvement.  But we cannot get too e*d
>> about it ...
>Well, Tyson, let me say that I have been waiting for a LONG time for this
>one improvement, and am really happy to see it.  Bear in mind that GEOS
>users have to get used to improvements coming in only very slowly.  I am
>hoping that the other important improvements will come in with the new
>internet applications, leapfrogging the Comm program.

   LYNX is a great browser (so long as your local FreeNET has enabled all
of its features, that is, otherwise it could seem absolutely terrible).  
Besides the fact that a great many people can use it for free (most
Canadian cities, at least, have FreeNETs), it's also a very fast way of
acquiring information because it ignores graphics and sound files.  Yes,
you're not bombarding your senses with a sensory overload, but if you're
trying to get information then it's a reliable and speedy way of doing it.

   New Deal is trying to reach out to the schools and people who haven't
been able to join the information revolution before now, and FreeNETs
(most of which run LYNX as their web browser) allow e-mail and web
browsing services to almost everyone.  By perfecting NewComm's use with
LYNX, New Deal can claim much better web connectivity than before while
we wait for the web browser.  For comparatively little effort, this has
gained New Deal a lot IMO.  Heck, I'll probably keep using the FreeNET
and LYNX even after the web browser comes out.  Paying for web access
isn't worth it when I already get so much for free!

Quote:>Daniel Kim

                                 "The Babylon Project was a dream given form."

Quote:

> Still, I am glad for the VT100 improvement.  But we cannot get too e*d
> about it ...

> -- Tyson Schoeber

Daniel Kim
(Say what you will, I am happy to be able to use LYNX!)

Aw, c'mon!  I think we all know that it is lacking, yet, let's at least
offer a cheer and a pat on the back for having touched a programme that
hasn't been touched for years.  Maybe this means that more improvements
are around the corner....   ;>

~Pete

Quote:>   Is LYNX available as shareware so I can try it out?? Where can I get
>one?  The sooner I can get rid of these bloated, touchy, Windows
>browsers, the better I will be! --Dean Dancey

Lynx is the text based browser actual Internet SERVERS use. It is designed for
 and runs on various versions of Unix and Linux. it is text only, and uses
 keyboard commands mostly to carry out instructions from the terminal accessing
 it (terminal being anyone logging in with what is often referred to as a
 *shell* or Unix Shell*. And for Shell access you use a terminal program such
 as NewComm or a telnet client.

Mark-
Mark-

http://www.newdealinc.com

Quote:

> Lynx is the text based browser actual Internet SERVERS use. It is designed for
>  and runs on various versions of Unix and Linux. it is text only, and uses
>  keyboard commands mostly to carry out instructions from the terminal accessing
>  it (terminal being anyone logging in with what is often referred to as a
>  *shell* or Unix Shell*. And for Shell access you use a terminal program such
>  as NewComm or a telnet client.

If one has access to a Unix shell, tho, using the Lynx on the Unix server
is the way to go.  Faster, already configured!

Cheers,
~Pete

Quote:>Hey!  For the first time, NewComm works with LYNX as a VT100 session!
>This is a GREAT improvement!

So, what improvements have you noticed with NewComm?  All I've seen is
that it doesn't use my custom VT100.TC arrow key definitions any more,
which screws up some of my vi editing sessions.  <Sigh>  Time to pull
out the ol' vt100 terminfo file again.
--
   Doug Taylor                         |   Nothing real can be threatened.
   The Ohio State University           |   Nothing unreal exists.

[...]

Quote:>Lynx is the text based browser actual Internet SERVERS use. It is designed for
> and runs on various versions of Unix and Linux. it is text only, and uses
> keyboard commands mostly to carry out instructions from the terminal accessing
> it (terminal being anyone logging in with what is often referred to as a
> *shell* or Unix Shell*. And for Shell access you use a terminal program such
> as NewComm or a telnet client.

I agree, it's a very useful program; I use it a lot (particularly in
scripts). However, the user interface sucks. It dates from the days of vi
and uses lots of cryptic key commands (no mouse, remember). That's not too
bad; I *like* vi. The really bad bit is scrolling up and down a
document... the cursor keys move up and down one link or one page,
whichever's smaller. Microsoft did it right (for once) in the QuickBASIC
hypertext help; Lynx didn't.

David Given

Quote:>>    LYNX is a great browser (so long as your local FreeNET has enabled all
>> of its features
>   Is LYNX available as shareware so I can try it out?? Where can I get
>one?  The sooner I can get rid of these bloated, touchy, Windows
>browsers, the better I will be! --Dean Dancey

   I personally use LYNX with the local FreeNET, so I don't need to have
the browser on my system.  All that is needed is a term programme
(NewComm now works well in VT100 mode) and the FreeNET downloads to me
whatever is needed.

   I think you might have better luck with that DOS-based browser that
many people here are using with NDO.
--

                                 "The Babylon Project was a dream given form."

[IMAGE] [IMAGE] [IMAGE] [IMAGE]

[LINK]  [LINK]  [LINK]  [LINK]

...Which doesn't point the poor user in any usefull direction.  Using ALT
tags with every embedded object at least affords the proper coutessy to
users of character based browsers thereby enabling them to navigatre.  
Many times, the visually impaired use the character based browsers in
conjunction with text to audio converters and readers.  Not using the ALT
tags when writing HTML is like not providing access ramps for the
handicapped and is either ignorant, unthoughtfull or elitist.  

Exaple of what it would like like if done correctly:

Instead of: [IMAGE] [LINK] [LINK]

One would have:  [Picture of UNIVISION logo] [Link to Univision Spanish Page]
        [Link to UNIVISION Eglish Page]

...well, I think 'nuff said.  ;>

Time to get off my soapbox without falling flat on my face.  ;>
Y'all take care now, you hear?
~Pete

: >[...]
: >>Lynx is the text based browser actual Internet SERVERS use. It is designed for
. . . .
: >I agree, it's a very useful program; I use it a lot (particularly in
: >scripts). However, the user interface sucks. It dates from the days of vi
. . . .

A little off the GEOS topic, but LYNX is good for me because it is fast
for everything, especially downloads. Here at the University, I watch with
some amu*t while my Netscape-using colleagues wait and wait for some
file to come in throug the modem, while I get it to my account in a minute
with LYNX.  Afterwards, I can FTP it to my PC, which is a local transfer,
and so still fast.  This two-step process is still way faster than using
Netscape as a downloader.

In addition, I don't always have access to a PPP connection, for instance,
on my 286 with 2400 baud modem, and so a NewComm with LYNX session is
great.

Daniel Kim

Quote:>I agree, it's a very useful program; I use it a lot (particularly in
>scripts). However, the user interface sucks. It dates from the days of vi
>and uses lots of cryptic key commands (no mouse, remember). That's not too
>bad; I *like* vi. The really bad bit is scrolling up and down a
>document... the cursor keys move up and down one link or one page,

Quote:>David Given

[...]

Quote:>Whoah!  Not only does Lynx allow the use of the mouse, but its keys are
>fully configurable, and by default use the normal up-down-left-right with
>pageup-pagedn and so on.  It's also cool to be able to type a number to go
>to a link when you don't feel like cursoring or clicking.

I've used it --- it's not bad, but horribly *horribly* slow. Totally
unusable on an XT.

David Given