Atari Has been Sold (100% Facts)

Atari Has been Sold (100% Facts)

Post by Ken Sall » Wed, 18 Mar 1998 04:00:00



I was watching CNN this morning (3/17/98) and saw a brief on the Hasbro
purchase of Atari. The news blurb stated that Hasbro bought the rights to have
75 game titles so they could re-release them as part of the "retroware" stuff
(ala Frogger, which they sold 900,000 copies of).

Hopefully they do something more then just the retroware, but it would be cool
to play some of the old games again (I wonder if they'll keep that stupid bat
in Adventure that used to drive me nuts).

Ken

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Post by Rob Merri » Wed, 18 Mar 1998 04:00:00




>: I'm not sure about the Lynx. It was a horrible mess when Atari got it
>: from Epyx. No where near production and suitors were limited.

>Could you elaborate rather than just handing off a statement like this
>without corroboration?

Lets see... The story is from, I believe, Video Games and Computer
Entertainment. When Atari came in, the Lynx was still nothing but a
bunch a hand wired boards connected to an Amiga. Nothing was done in
the way of prototypes, figuring out battery usage, nor where to get
color LCD screens. Atari originally was just helping Epyx out with the
idea it was going to be join project but once it appeared that the
project wasn't going fast enough, Atari bought the Lynx from Epyx out
right and finished the project.

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Post by jed » Thu, 16 Apr 1998 04:00:00




>   OK, guys, here is my little contribution to the subject:

>     I've own Ataris for mor than 10 years, it is IMHO one of the best
>designed computer systems of all times, but, as time goes by so computers,
>i don't own PC's, but i work with them all day long, the main reason i don't

        If you decide to 'go PC', I suggest trying Linux or
        FreeBSD first. They, as unixen, tend to be a bit
        harsher on newcomers but, they're much more reliable
        than WinXX and perform better (more responsive) on
        similar hardware. You will likely be quite shocked
        with how much computing horsepower it takes to just
        do basic computing with WinXX.
Quote:>wanna buy a PC is the tech groundbreak, i've been thinking buying one just
>because i want APE for my Atari, anyhow, i don't think Hasbro or anyone
>will take the A8 out of the basquet, the many out there who own one of the
>newer game consoles know exactly why, in the meantime we are seeing a
>resurrection of old 8-bit tiltes, the last one, i think, is robotron for the
>N64.... So, games we will see lots of resurrections, systems, i don't think
>we'll see any.... Still, i buy any piece of A8 hardware that crosses my path.

 
 
 

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Post by BELJAN » Wed, 18 Mar 1998 04:00:00





>> I'd say there is probably a _very_ limited market for 1-dimensional
>> games.  But, what are we talking about here?

>A one dimensional game? Wouldn't that be like an infinitely thin line
on
>the screen? Wow, that'd be kinda like playing pong with a toothpick
shaped
>monitor!
>:0

Just for thought, has anyone ever considered calling a 2D game 3D
because it is playing from a Picture Tube which in itself is 3D? That
would be funny, by that definition, all side scrollers would now be
considered 3D games.
 
 
 

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Post by Chris Gra » Fri, 17 Apr 1998 04:00:00



> I am running Windows 95 on a 486DX-66 and it runs decently.  

I am running FreeBSD on a 486DX-66 and that also runs runs rather well.
The KDE desktop is very nice indeed.

Quote:

> I would like to try Linux but it does seem intimidating.  Also, where does
> one get software for it (like word processing, graphic)?  This is an
> honest question.

The GIMP is a free graphics prog, and there are others (e.g. xv, which is
shareware).  The commercial StarOffice suite is available free-to-individuals
for linux: it should run under FreeBSD too.  (I'm just busy trying to work
out how to tell FreeBSD that I do want it to run linux ELF binaries after
all, after answering "no" during the installation ...)

In general there's an awful lot of software available for the free OS's.

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Post by BELJAN » Wed, 18 Mar 1998 04:00:00





>.  I personally would expect HI to use the
>> software licenses first, making new versions of the titles that they
now
>> own, then maybe look at the videogame market to see if it is a
viable
>> market for them.  They don't own facilities to make something as
large
>> as a CD console system and would not be able to make one as cheaply
as
>> someone like Philips, but they might license the Atari name.  The
>> portable market is about to change a bit with the new Nintendo color
>> portable, so if they're smart, they will wait and see what happens
>> there.  Just my $0.02 (still $0.02 with tax!!)

>That is EXACTLY what they will do. Anyone notice the popularity of the
>rerelease of Frogger for Playstation and PC? Hasbro is going to revamp
and
>rerelease some of the old Atari games like Missile Command in similar
>fashion. I wouldn't expect to see a new atari-branded console from
them,
>though. Read more in today's Wall Street Journal, by the way. Good
story
>about the deal that even mentions retro*'s current popularity (it
>talks a little bit about the MAME arcade emulator in there).

Some games have already been revamped. It certainly would take some
serious thought for me to go out and by another revamp of Missle
Command after Missle Command 3D unless it was a masterpiece of some
type.
 
 
 

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Post by jed » Fri, 17 Apr 1998 04:00:00




>> I would like to try Linux but it does seem intimidating.  Also, where does
>> one get software for it (like word processing, graphic)?  This is an
>> honest question.

>There's a free (not for profit) office suite called Star Office
>available for Linux. I've got it, I use it very occasionally. I end up
>using Word 97 more often because I don't get the same quality print in
>Linux that I do in Windows. I'm using a Canon BJ-200ex. Printing in
>Linux is primarily done with postscript, so if you have a postscript
>printer you should have no problem. I, on the other hand, don't so I
>have to use a postscript filter (apsfilter) to make it work with my
>printer...and then I have to use a BJ-200e driver (which is half the
>resolution).

        Have you tried the printfilters in the latest Redhats?
 
 
 

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Post by John Per » Wed, 18 Mar 1998 04:00:00


: save the Jag, and Tempest 2000 wasn't an amazing success. I think
: there's a limited market for 1-dimensional games that only last 3
: minutes, which basically is most of the Atari licenses.

I don't mean to be annoying, but doesn't the description:

"1-dimensional games that only last 3 minutes"

apply to just about any console game?  In general, I have always preferred
computer games to console fighting, platform, and other low depth genre's.
With games like AvP, the Jaguar had the potential to bring more
computerish titles to the console market, but they instead dropped that
sort of development in favor of SNES style titles.

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Post by Jon D. Mel » Thu, 19 Mar 1998 04:00:00






>>> I'd say there is probably a _very_ limited market for 1-dimensional
>>> games.  But, what are we talking about here?

>>A one dimensional game? Wouldn't that be like an infinitely thin line
>on
>>the screen? Wow, that'd be kinda like playing pong with a toothpick
>shaped
>>monitor!
>>:0

>Just for thought, has anyone ever considered calling a 2D game 3D
>because it is playing from a Picture Tube which in itself is 3D? That
>would be funny, by that definition, all side scrollers would now be
>considered 3D games.

Actually, all computer games are 2D because the CRT has a disply that
is is only two dimensions.  In order to be true 3D, one would have to
use one of the available stereoscopic methods like LCD shutter glasses
and such with it.

Hehehe.

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Post by BELJAN » Thu, 19 Mar 1998 04:00:00



Quote:D. Melbo) writes:

>>Just for thought, has anyone ever considered calling a 2D game 3D
>>because it is playing from a Picture Tube which in itself is 3D? That
>>would be funny, by that definition, all side scrollers would now be
>>considered 3D games.

>Actually, all computer games are 2D because the CRT has a disply that
>is is only two dimensions.  In order to be true 3D, one would have to
>use one of the available stereoscopic methods like LCD shutter glasses
>and such with it.

No, that cannot be theoretically possible because the Phosphers on the
CRT must be a few molecules thick, hence they are 3D, therefore the 2D
game is really 3D. My theory on this would only make sense if you are a
cheap skate video game company trying to make money by calling 2D games
3D. I wonder if it could be argued in court ;) Think of it this way
most CRTs are not flat, they are rounded meaning they are actually 3D.
The phosphers must be 3D anyway you put it because they have some
height width and depth. Therefore the phosphors are 3D. If you display
something on 3D it must be 3D. The CRT itself is also not flat, the
electron gun sticks out the back, but relating the fact that a 3D setup
is projecting images than the image must be deduction be 3D. Pretty
interesting theory isnt it? Now I need someone to argue the 1D games
for me...
 
 
 

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Post by jed » Fri, 17 Apr 1998 04:00:00



>Atari dealers are taking reservations on a
>Linux 2.x CD-ROM, rumored to be available
>Real Soon Now.

        Eagle will be nice and all. However, most Atari's
        still floating around now are still limited to 4M
        which for GEM is nice but for Unix even in curses
        mode, it's a bit cramped. That's just the RAM,
        mind you, and not even getting into storage...

>-- George Crissman



>>>I would like to try Linux but it does seem intimidating.  Also, where does
>>>one get software for it (like word processing, graphic)?  This is an
>>>honest question.

>>        The major linux vendors distribute it (like Redhat or Caldera)
>>        and you can find it in places like *linuxmall*. For games that
>>        have been 'un'released, you can just pick up the game at CompUsa
>>        and download the Linux version of the executable (QII, UO).

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Post by Scott 'Steg' Hanse » Thu, 19 Mar 1998 04:00:00




> writes:

> >Well, the Jaguar II design (AKA Project Midsummer) was completed, and
> >was supposedly quite powerful. I believe the hardware could compete if
> >they came up with some good software for it. But I would sooner bet
> >that
> >Hasbro is a Project X licensee then say they intend to revive the
> >Midsummer architecture.

> I heard somewhere that it could supposedly do 5,000,000 polygons a
> second, which if true would make it plenty powerful.

Thats probably 5,000,000 'marketing polygons'... =)
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Post by jed » Sat, 18 Apr 1998 04:00:00



e:

Quote:

>>        Ouch! 95+Office+486?

>Honestly, it runs along at a nice pace!  Keep in mind, I;ve used high-end
>Power Macs, Suns, Pentium IIs and while it can't compare to those systems,
>it runs nicely.  Especially for simple tasks like Microsoft Office.  I do
>have 28 megs of RAM but even under 16 it wasn't bad.

        Run 'nicely' is not something I would describe of
        any version of Windows. They're far too bloated
        for too little actual functionality. Until I switched
        to Linux, I was constantly contemplating an ST
        emulator so that I could run more efficient (yet
        useful) applications.

        That fixation is gone. (although STonX is still
        kinda nifty)

Quote:

>>        The major linux vendors distribute it (like Redhat or Caldera)
>>        and you can find it in places like *linuxmall*. For games that
>>        have been 'un'released, you can just pick up the game at CompUsa
>>        and download the Linux version of the executable (QII, UO).

>I have seen Redhat at Electronics Boutique.  The problem I might have with
>Linux is that I only have a 500 meg hard drive....  Are these commercial
>versions easy-to setup as, say, other major OSes?  Like a nice setup
>program?

        Yup. Hardware configuration is more Win 3.1ish. There is
        some plug-n-pray but that's primarily with PCI devices.
        Whether or not this is a good thing tends to correlate
        to one's Win95 experiences (good or bad). For LInux,
        500 may be a bit tight. I would expect it to be tight
        for Win95 as well. If you dont have any intention of
        using the linux dev tools are some of the more *
        unix utilities (like tex) you should be fine.

Quote:

>>        There's also a 'freeware' ST emulator called STonX that
>>        you might want to try out. You'll have to provide ROM
>>        images however (not hard to find on the web).

>I have heard good things about it.  Does it allow different resolutions
>other than the three standard ST ones?

        Yes, but it only runs in 256 color mode.

Quote:

>>        Linux will likely run more responsively on the hardware
>>        you're using now. Although, unless you have lots of ram,
>>        I would not expect much out of either '95 or linux.
>>        Although Linux is a lot easier to trim and tune.

>If by t* and tuning I have to wade through tons of configuration
>files, I am not sure I want to.  Are many packages for Linux "complete" or
>do you have to compile most packages yourself?  Sorry I am so clueless on
>Unix.

        Yes, there is configuration overhead. Unix is a system
        where you boss around the OS, instead of vice-versa.

Quote:

>>        I never found the performance of M$ OSes to my liking.
>>        I also found the registry and plug-n-pray quite annoying
>>        as well.

>The registry is fairly easy to configure, IMHO.  Also, for some odd reason
>(I know I am in the minority), Plug-n-Play has worked flawlessly for me.
>Windows detected all of my components and I had no conflicts.  Strange ;-)

        Win95 did detect my 2nd CDROM drive, my tape drive & still
        doesn't have a proper driver for it, didn't have a useful
        monitor type for my monitor & misconfigured my ethernet
        card disabling my modem in the process. Yes YMMV.

        The registry is too prone to corruption & not a help to me
        as I would be directly modifying it anyways to bend the
        machine to suit me.

 
 
 

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Post by Bill R. Co » Fri, 20 Mar 1998 04:00:00


re: 1 dimensional games...

I think PONG is the closest we will get to a '1-Dimensional'
game. If there was only a paddle, and no puck. ;-)
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