Falcon030 -vs- 1200 -vs- Performa 400 (Not a flame, Please don't flame)

Falcon030 -vs- 1200 -vs- Performa 400 (Not a flame, Please don't flame)

Post by Kevin J. Klasmei » Tue, 16 Mar 1993 03:15:55



I just got this file from GEnie. I take no responsibilities for any error.
This is strictly for your information and enjoyment. This is not ment for
flames. This is not to be read by the mentally immature. This is a complete
comparison of three fine machines.

Enjoy:

_______________________________________________________________________________

     Here is a technical comparison between Atari's new Falcon 030, Commodore's

new Amiga 1200 and Apple's new Performa 400. All of these machines are aimed at

the home computer user in price and power. They each feature their own
Multitasking Graphic User Interface (GUI) operating system, which is not
compatible with MS-DOS. Each of these computers has their own software library.
They are all based on Motorola brand CPU's. You won't find "Intel inside" any of
these machines, unless it's in the form of an emulator board! ;^>

                    Atari Falcon        CBM Amiga 1200      Apple Performa 400
CPU                 68030               68EC020             68030
speed(Mhz)          16                  14.32               16
MIPS                3.84                2.5                 3.84
data path(bit)      32(16used w/COMBEL) 32                  32(16 used)

address space(bit)  24                  24                  24
instruction cache   256 bytes           256 bytes           256 bytes
data cache          256 bytes           no                  256 bytes

FPU                 optional            optional            optional
socket on board     yes                 no                  no
type                68881/68882         68881/68882         68881/68882

DSP                 yes                 no                  no
type                56001               N/A                 N/A
speed(Mhz)          32                  N/A                 N/A
MIPS                16                  N/A                 N/A

MEMORY & EXPANSION
ram(base model)     4MB(32bit)          2MB(32bit CHIP)     4MB(16bit)
max ram             14 MB               10 MB(>w/3rd party) 10MB
type                proprietary         proprietary/PCMCIA  SIMM
rom                 512K                512K to 2MB         512K

DISK DRIVES
floppy              3.5" 1.44HD         3.5" 880K           3.5" 1.44HD
format              Atari\MS-DOS(SAME)  Amiga w\MS-DOS      Mac w\MS-DOS
hard                internal            internal            internal
type                2.5" IDE            2.5" IDE            3.5" SCSI
size                65MB                40MB                80MB

I/O PORTS
mouse/joystick      2reg 2analog        2 reg               1 mouse/ADB
serial              RS-232C             RS-232              2 RS-422
parallel            BI-directional      Centronics          no
video-out           analog RGB\VGA      analog\RGB\VGA      analog RGB\VGA
                    composite\RF        composite\RF
audio-in            stereo 1/8"mini     no                  mono RCA
     -out           stereo 1/8"mini     stereo RCA          mono RCA
external floppy     no                  yes                 no
internal IDE        yes                 yes                 no
external SCSI       yes (SCSI II w/DMA) no                  yes
midi                in, out/thru        no                  no
DSP                 yes (1 MHZ trans)   no                  no
network             Localtalk LAN       no                  Appletalk LAN

EXPANSION           internal bus exp    cpu expansion slot  Processor
                    128K cartridge      PCMCIA 2(16bit)     Direct Slot
                    DSP port
SOUND
resolution          16bit\50Khz         8bit\50Khz          8bit\22Khz
channels            8                   4                   1
input               yes\stereo          no                  yes\mono
output              stereo              stereo              mono
internal speaker    yes                 no                  yes

VIDEO
resolution
-minimum            320x200             320x200             640x480
-maximum            640x480             1280x400\640x960(i) 640x480
palette(colors)     262,144             16.8 million        16.8 million
maximum displayed   65,536(640x400)     256,000(all res)    256(to 32K)
overscan            yes                 yes                 no

MISC
clock               yes                 no                  yes
keyboard type       attached full       attached full       detached full

OPERATING SYSTEM
type                multitasking gui    multitasking gui    multitasking gui
location            rom\disk            rom\disk            rom\disk

PRICE
retail              $1299.00            $1099.00            $1450.00
street              N/A                 $850.00             $1100.00

SOFTWARE(included)
Atari Falcon 030:   MultiTOS 4.0-operating system
                    SpeedoGDOS-scalable font extension w/14 Bitstream fonts
                    Falcon D2D-audio direct to disk recording & editing
                    Atari Works-integrated word processor,database,spreadsheet
                    Audio Fun Machine-DSP digital audio FX
                    System Audio Manager-record & assign sounds to system event
                    Various Accessory programs:calculator,calendar,Talking Clock
                                               games, etc.

CBM Amiga 1200      AmigaDOS 3.0-operating system
                    CrossDOS-allows reading & writing MS-DOS format disks
                   *Deluxe Paint IV AGA-full featured 2D paint & animation
                   *Final Copy-full featured word processor
                    Various Utility Programs:Calculator,screenblanker etc.
                    (*indicates a limited time offer)

Apple Performa 400  System 7.1-operating system
                    Symantec Greatworks-integrated word processor,database,
                         spreadsheet,charting,paint & telecomm program
                    At Ease-program launcher
                    Teleware M.Y.O.B.-checkbook & cardfile program
                    T/Maker Clip Art-business graphics
                    Various Accessory programs:calculator,alarm clock,games etc.
            * (This software package may vary depending on place of purchase)

FINAL NOTES: The Atari & Commodore machines are housed in a single case. They do
NOT have detached keyboards. The Atari Falcon is in the same case as it's
predecessor the 1040STE, and the Amiga 1200 is in a restyled case similar to the
Amiga 500. Also, each of these computers is available without a hard drive for
less money. However, models with hard drives were used for comparison purposes.

These configuraions are those as supplied by the manufacturer. Individual
dealers may offer other configuration options. The Apple Performa 400 has a
separate keyboard, it is in the same case as the MAC LCII(In fact, that's
exactly what it is!).
     The Atari & Commodore machines can operate at many different screen
resolutions and would require a multisync monitor for optimum flexibility. Also,
the Commodore Amiga 1200's maximum resolutions are interlaced(i). It's maximum
non-interlaced resolution is 640x480. Both the Atari Falcon & Commodore Amiga
1200 will also overscan, giving them more resolution in that mode and making
them suitable for Desk Top Video (DTV). The Apple Performa would require an
analog VGA type monitor. With additional Video Ram, the Performa can display up

to 32,000 colors maximum.
       The data path on the Atari Falcon is listed as 32bits wide with 16 bits
used with COMBEL. The COMBEL chip sits between the CPU and the memory chips.
The bus from the CPU to the COMBEL chip is 16 bits, however, since there are no

waitstates on this bus, it operates at rates comparable to 32 bits. The bus from
the COMBEL to the memory is 32 bits. The data path on the Performa is 32 bits
wide, although only 16 are used and the RAM accessed is 16 bits.
     The Atari Falcon is the only computer here with a DSP (digital signal
processor) chip.

revivsion 1.3
Information compiled by Ken Baum 1992/93
E-mail on GEnie or Delphi:<KEBAUM>
Sources: Amiga World, Amiga Format, AtariUser, ST Format, MACWorld
         GEnie & Delphi.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That is what was written. Please (for the mentally immature), DON'T START
RIPPING EACH OTHER'S MACHINES APART. This is a nice comparison of 3 fine
machines.....Take it in stride and let those of us who appreciate the strengths
and weaknesses of each machine enjoy...

Thanks...

                       +-------------------------------------+_
                       | *> Kevin Klasmeier                  | |
                       | *> NET: klasm...@ucunix.san.uc.edu  | |
                       | *> GEnie: K.KLASMEIER               | |
                       |  [Cincinnati, Ohio in the US of A]  | |
                       +-------------------------------------+ |
                        '--------------------------------------'

 
 
 

Falcon030 -vs- 1200 -vs- Performa 400 (Not a flame, Please don't flame)

Post by Ricardo Hernandez Mucha » Tue, 16 Mar 1993 12:57:00


In article <C3w5EK....@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, klasm...@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Kevin J. Klasmeier) writes:
|> I just got this file from GEnie. I take no responsibilities for any error.
|> This is strictly for your information and enjoyment. This is not ment for
|> flames. This is not to be read by the mentally immature. This is a complete
|> comparison of three fine machines.
|>
|>
|> Enjoy:

   Kevin, I have no intent on just jumping in "'cause I like my Amiga", but
because there are some things here that have not been told.  Additions
follows to the table (read the table below).  My last concern is:
who compiled this information?

|>
|> _______________________________________________________________________________
|>
|>
|>      Here is a technical comparison between Atari's new Falcon 030, Commodore's
|>
|> new Amiga 1200 and Apple's new Performa 400. All of these machines are aimed at
|>
|> the home computer user in price and power. They each feature their own
|> Multitasking Graphic User Interface (GUI) operating system, which is not
|> compatible with MS-DOS. Each of these computers has their own software library.
|> They are all based on Motorola brand CPU's. You won't find "Intel inside" any of
|> these machines, unless it's in the form of an emulator board! ;^>
|>
|>                     Atari Falcon        CBM Amiga 1200      Apple Performa 400
|> CPU                 68030               68EC020             68030
|> speed(Mhz)          16                  14.32               16
|> MIPS                3.84                2.5                 3.84
                       ^^^^^                ^^^^                ^^^^
                             With what benchmarks?  Or 'benchmarks?'

|> data path(bit)      32(16used w/COMBEL) 32                  32(16 used)
|>
|> address space(bit)  24                  24                  24
|> instruction cache   256 bytes           256 bytes           256 bytes
|> data cache          256 bytes           no                  256 bytes
|>
|> FPU                 optional            optional            optional
|> socket on board     yes                 no                  no
|> type                68881/68882         68881/68882         68881/68882
|>
|> DSP                 yes                 no                  no
|> type                56001               N/A                 N/A
|> speed(Mhz)          32                  N/A                 N/A
|> MIPS                16                  N/A                 N/A
|>
|> MEMORY & EXPANSION
|> ram(base model)     4MB(32bit)          2MB(32bit CHIP)     4MB(16bit)
|> max ram             14 MB               10 MB(>w/3rd party) 10MB
|> type                proprietary         proprietary/PCMCIA  SIMM
|> rom                 512K                512K to 2MB         512K
|>
|> DISK DRIVES
|> floppy              3.5" 1.44HD         3.5" 880K           3.5" 1.44HD
|> format              Atari\MS-DOS(SAME)  Amiga w\MS-DOS      Mac w\MS-DOS
|> hard                internal            internal            internal
|> type                2.5" IDE            2.5" IDE            3.5" SCSI
|> size                65MB                40MB                80MB
|>
|> I/O PORTS
|> mouse/joystick      2reg 2analog        2 reg               1 mouse/ADB
|> serial              RS-232C             RS-232              2 RS-422
|> parallel            BI-directional      Centronics          no
|> video-out           analog RGB\VGA      analog\RGB\VGA      analog RGB\VGA
|>                     composite\RF        composite\RF
|> audio-in            stereo 1/8"mini     no                  mono RCA
|>      -out           stereo 1/8"mini     stereo RCA          mono RCA
|> external floppy     no                  yes                 no
|> internal IDE        yes                 yes                 no
|> external SCSI       yes (SCSI II w/DMA) no                  yes
|> midi                in, out/thru        no                  no
|> DSP                 yes (1 MHZ trans)   no                  no
|> network             Localtalk LAN       no                  Appletalk LAN
|>
|> EXPANSION           internal bus exp    cpu expansion slot  Processor
|>                     128K cartridge      PCMCIA 2(16bit)     Direct Slot
|>                     DSP port
|> SOUND
|> resolution          16bit\50Khz         8bit\50Khz          8bit\22Khz
|> channels            8                   4                   1
|> input               yes\stereo          no                  yes\mono
|> output              stereo              stereo              mono
|> internal speaker    yes                 no                  yes
|>
|> VIDEO
|> resolution
|> -minimum            320x200             320x200             640x480
|> -maximum            640x480             1280x400\640x960(i) 640x480
|> palette(colors)     262,144             16.8 million        16.8 million
|> maximum displayed   65,536(640x400)     256,000(all res)    256(to 32K)
|> overscan            yes                 yes                 no
   # of Sprites         0                   8                   0
   Sprite size          n/a                64 wide x height     n/a
                                           of screen
   colors/sprite        n/a                16 out of 24 bits    n/a
   dual-playfields      no                 yes - 16 colors      no
                                           each out of 24-bit  
   Graphics coprocessor(s)  yes               yes                  no
                          BLiTTER          Blitter, copper        n/a

|>
|> MISC
|> clock               yes                 no                  yes
|> keyboard type       attached full       attached full       detached full
|>
|> OPERATING SYSTEM
|> type                multitasking gui    multitasking gui    multitasking gui
|> location            rom\disk            rom\disk            rom\disk
   multitasking type    ????               fully preemptive    cooperative

|>
|> PRICE
|> retail              $1299.00            $1099.00            $1450.00
|> street              N/A                 $850.00             $1100.00
|>
|> SOFTWARE(included)
|> Atari Falcon 030:   MultiTOS 4.0-operating system
|>                     SpeedoGDOS-scalable font extension w/14 Bitstream fonts
|>                     Falcon D2D-audio direct to disk recording & editing
|>                     Atari Works-integrated word processor,database,spreadsheet
|>                     Audio Fun Machine-DSP digital audio FX
|>                     System Audio Manager-record & assign sounds to system event
|>                     Various Accessory programs:calculator,calendar,Talking Clock
|>                                                games, etc.
|>
|>
|> CBM Amiga 1200      AmigaDOS 3.0-operating system
                          - includes AREXX and CompuGraphic outline fonts support (includes 2)
|>                     CrossDOS-allows reading & writing MS-DOS format disks
|>                    *Deluxe Paint IV AGA-full featured 2D paint & animation
|>                    *Final Copy-full featured word processor
|>                     Various Utility Programs:Calculator,screenblanker etc.
|>                     (*indicates a limited time offer)
|>
|> Apple Performa 400  System 7.1-operating system
|>                     Symantec Greatworks-integrated word processor,database,
|>                          spreadsheet,charting,paint & telecomm program
|>                     At Ease-program launcher
|>                     Teleware M.Y.O.B.-checkbook & cardfile program
|>                     T/Maker Clip Art-business graphics
|>                     Various Accessory programs:calculator,alarm clock,games etc.
|>             * (This software package may vary depending on place of purchase)
|>
|>
|> FINAL NOTES: The Atari & Commodore machines are housed in a single case. They do
|> NOT have detached keyboards. The Atari Falcon is in the same case as it's
|> predecessor the 1040STE, and the Amiga 1200 is in a restyled case similar to the
|> Amiga 500. Also, each of these computers is available without a hard drive for
|> less money. However, models with hard drives were used for comparison purposes.
|>
|> These configuraions are those as supplied by the manufacturer. Individual
|> dealers may offer other configuration options. The Apple Performa 400 has a
|> separate keyboard, it is in the same case as the MAC LCII(In fact, that's
|> exactly what it is!).
|>      The Atari & Commodore machines can operate at many different screen
|> resolutions and would require a multisync monitor for optimum flexibility. Also,
|> the Commodore Amiga 1200's maximum resolutions are interlaced(i). It's maximum
|> non-interlaced resolution is 640x480. Both the Atari Falcon & Commodore Amiga
|> 1200 will also overscan, giving them more resolution in that mode and making
|> them suitable for Desk Top Video (DTV). The Apple Performa would require an
|> analog VGA type monitor. With additional Video Ram, the Performa can display up
|>
|> to 32,000 colors maximum.
|>        The data path on the Atari Falcon is listed as 32bits wide with 16 bits
|> used with COMBEL. The COMBEL chip sits between the CPU and the memory chips.
|> The bus from the CPU to the COMBEL chip is 16 bits, however, since there are no
|>
|> waitstates on this bus, it operates at rates comparable to 32 bits. The bus from
|> the COMBEL to the memory is 32 bits. The data path on the Performa is 32 bits
|> wide, although only 16 are used and the RAM accessed is 16 bits.
|>      The Atari Falcon is the only computer here with a DSP (digital signal
|> processor) chip.
|>
|> revivsion 1.3
|> Information compiled by Ken Baum 1992/93
|> E-mail on GEnie or Delphi:<KEBAUM>
|> Sources: Amiga World, Amiga Format, AtariUser, ST Format, MACWorld
|>          GEnie & Delphi.
|>
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|>
|> That is what was written. Please (for the mentally immature), ...

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Falcon030 -vs- 1200 -vs- Performa 400 (Not a flame, Please don't flame)

Post by E.A. Sto » Wed, 17 Mar 1993 00:25:26


In article <C3w5EK....@ucunix.san.uc.edu> klasm...@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Kevin J. Klasmeier) writes:

>I just got this file from GEnie. I take no responsibilities for any error.
>This is strictly for your information and enjoyment. This is not ment for
>flames. This is not to be read by the mentally immature. This is a complete
>comparison of three fine machines.

And pretty good too!  Tho, with a couple of things in error, or left
out.

>     Here is a technical comparison between Atari's new Falcon 030, Commodore's
>new Amiga 1200 and Apple's new Performa 400. All of these machines are aimed at
>the home computer user in price and power. They each feature their own
>Multitasking Graphic User Interface (GUI) operating system, which is not
>compatible with MS-DOS. Each of these computers has their own software library.
>They are all based on Motorola brand CPU's. You won't find "Intel inside" any of
>these machines, unless it's in the form of an emulator board! ;^>

>                    Atari Falcon        CBM Amiga 1200      Apple Performa 400
>CPU                 68030               68EC020             68030
>speed(Mhz)          16                  14.32               16
>MIPS                3.84                2.5                 3.84

As measured by? Altho the numbers look accurate enuff.

>data path(bit)      32(16used w/COMBEL) 32                  32(16 used)

>address space(bit)  24                  24                  24
>instruction cache   256 bytes           256 bytes           256 bytes
>data cache          256 bytes           no                  256 bytes

>FPU                 optional            optional            optional
>socket on board     yes                 no                  no
>type                68881/68882         68881/68882         68881/68882

>DSP                 yes                 no                  no
>type                56001               N/A                 N/A
>speed(Mhz)          32                  N/A                 N/A
>MIPS                16                  N/A                 N/A

>MEMORY & EXPANSION
>ram(base model)     4MB(32bit)          2MB(32bit CHIP)     4MB(16bit)
>max ram             14 MB               10 MB(>w/3rd party) 10MB
>type                proprietary         proprietary/PCMCIA  SIMM
>rom                 512K                512K to 2MB         512K

                                                 ^^^
I wasn't aware the AGA machines had a 2MB possible ROM space.  AMigaDOS
3.0 currently is a 512k ROM.

>DISK DRIVES
>floppy              3.5" 1.44HD         3.5" 880K           3.5" 1.44HD
>format              Atari\MS-DOS(SAME)  Amiga w\MS-DOS      Mac w\MS-DOS
>hard                internal            internal            internal
>type                2.5" IDE            2.5" IDE            3.5" SCSI
>size                65MB                40MB                80MB

>I/O PORTS
>mouse/joystick      2reg 2analog        2 reg               1 mouse/ADB

                                              ^^^
The Amiga's ports can either be digital or analog.  So I guess its "2
reg/analog".

>serial              RS-232C             RS-232              2 RS-422
>parallel            BI-directional      Centronics          no

The Amiga's parallel port is also bidirectional.

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>video-out           analog RGB\VGA      analog\RGB\VGA      analog RGB\VGA
>                    composite\RF        composite\RF
>audio-in            stereo 1/8"mini     no                  mono RCA
>     -out           stereo 1/8"mini     stereo RCA          mono RCA
>external floppy     no                  yes                 no
>internal IDE        yes                 yes                 no
>external SCSI       yes (SCSI II w/DMA) no                  yes
>midi                in, out/thru        no                  no
>DSP                 yes (1 MHZ trans)   no                  no
>network             Localtalk LAN       no                  Appletalk LAN

>EXPANSION           internal bus exp    cpu expansion slot  Processor
>                    128K cartridge      PCMCIA 2(16bit)     Direct Slot
>                    DSP port
>SOUND
>resolution          16bit\50Khz         8bit\50Khz          8bit\22Khz
>channels            8                   4                   1
>input               yes\stereo          no                  yes\mono
>output              stereo              stereo              mono
>internal speaker    yes                 no                  yes

>VIDEO
>resolution
>-minimum            320x200             320x200             640x480
>-maximum            640x480             1280x400\640x960(i) 640x480
>palette(colors)     262,144             16.8 million        16.8 million
>maximum displayed   65,536(640x400)     256,000(all res)    256(to 32K)
>overscan            yes                 yes                 no

Coprocessors? Sprites?

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>MISC
>clock               yes                 no                  yes
>keyboard type       attached full       attached full       detached full

>OPERATING SYSTEM
>type                multitasking gui    multitasking gui    multitasking gui
>location            rom\disk            rom\disk            rom\disk

>PRICE
>retail              $1299.00            $1099.00            $1450.00
>street              N/A                 $850.00             $1100.00

>SOFTWARE(included)
>Atari Falcon 030:   MultiTOS 4.0-operating system
>                    SpeedoGDOS-scalable font extension w/14 Bitstream fonts
>                    Falcon D2D-audio direct to disk recording & editing
>                    Atari Works-integrated word processor,database,spreadsheet
>                    Audio Fun Machine-DSP digital audio FX
>                    System Audio Manager-record & assign sounds to system event
>                    Various Accessory programs:calculator,calendar,Talking Clock
>                                               games, etc.

>CBM Amiga 1200      AmigaDOS 3.0-operating system
>                    CrossDOS-allows reading & writing MS-DOS format disks
>                   *Deluxe Paint IV AGA-full featured 2D paint & animation
>                   *Final Copy-full featured word processor
>                    Various Utility Programs:Calculator,screenblanker etc.
>                    (*indicates a limited time offer)

>Apple Performa 400  System 7.1-operating system
>                    Symantec Greatworks-integrated word processor,database,
>                         spreadsheet,charting,paint & telecomm program
>                    At Ease-program launcher
>                    Teleware M.Y.O.B.-checkbook & cardfile program
>                    T/Maker Clip Art-business graphics
>                    Various Accessory programs:calculator,alarm clock,games etc.
>            * (This software package may vary depending on place of purchase)

>FINAL NOTES: The Atari & Commodore machines are housed in a single case. They do
>NOT have detached keyboards. The Atari Falcon is in the same case as it's
>predecessor the 1040STE, and the Amiga 1200 is in a restyled case similar to the
>Amiga 500. Also, each of these computers is available without a hard drive for
>less money. However, models with hard drives were used for comparison purposes.

>These configuraions are those as supplied by the manufacturer. Individual
>dealers may offer other configuration options. The Apple Performa 400 has a
>separate keyboard, it is in the same case as the MAC LCII(In fact, that's
>exactly what it is!).
>     The Atari & Commodore machines can operate at many different screen
>resolutions and would require a multisync monitor for optimum flexibility. Also,
>the Commodore Amiga 1200's maximum resolutions are interlaced(i). It's maximum
>non-interlaced resolution is 640x480. Both the Atari Falcon & Commodore Amiga
>1200 will also overscan, giving them more resolution in that mode and making
>them suitable for Desk Top Video (DTV). The Apple Performa would require an
>analog VGA type monitor. With additional Video Ram, the Performa can display up

>to 32,000 colors maximum.
>       The data path on the Atari Falcon is listed as 32bits wide with 16 bits
>used with COMBEL. The COMBEL chip sits between the CPU and the memory chips.
>The bus from the CPU to the COMBEL chip is 16 bits, however, since there are no

>waitstates on this bus, it operates at rates comparable to 32 bits. The bus from
>the COMBEL to the memory is 32 bits. The data path on the Performa is 32 bits
>wide, although only 16 are used and the RAM accessed is 16 bits.
>     The Atari Falcon is the only computer here with a DSP (digital signal
>processor) chip.

>revivsion 1.3
>Information compiled by Ken Baum 1992/93
>E-mail on GEnie or Delphi:<KEBAUM>
>Sources: Amiga World, Amiga Format, AtariUser, ST Format, MACWorld
>         GEnie & Delphi.

>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>That is what was written. Please (for the mentally immature), DON'T START
>RIPPING EACH OTHER'S MACHINES APART. This is a nice comparison of 3 fine
>machines.....Take it in stride and let those of us who appreciate the strengths
>and weaknesses of each machine enjoy...

All in all, a well done comparison.. thanks for posting it.

--
"THAT is a DRY turtle.  That turtle is NOT moist!"
Ezra Story, a student at RIT, and
eas3...@ultb.isc.rit.edu, his trusty(?) mailing address.

 
 
 

Falcon030 -vs- 1200 -vs- Performa 400 (Not a flame, Please don't flame)

Post by Tom Hain » Wed, 17 Mar 1993 02:07:51




> |> I just got this file from GEnie. I take no responsibilities for any error.
> |> This is strictly for your information and enjoyment. This is not ment for
> |> flames. This is not to be read by the mentally immature. This is a complete
> |> comparison of three fine machines.
> |>
> |>
> |> Enjoy:

>    Kevin, I have no intent on just jumping in "'cause I like my Amiga", but
> because there are some things here that have not been told.  Additions
> follows to the table (read the table below).  My last concern is:
> who compiled this information?
>[HEAPS DELETED
> |> type                multitasking gui    multitasking gui    multitasking gui
> |> location            rom\disk            rom\disk            rom\disk
>    multitasking type    ????               fully preemptive    cooperative
>[MORE STUFF DELETED]

The Faclcon OS is also fully preemptive.

I would also mention that the hi colour modes on the Amiga are HAM modes.
Also, does the price quoted for the MAC include a monitor?

I would say that with the additions that have been made the comparisson is
quite accurate.

-------------------------------------------Tom.

 
 
 

Falcon030 -vs- 1200 -vs- Performa 400 (Not a flame, Please don't flame)

Post by R. Bro » Fri, 19 Mar 1993 10:49:05



|> > _______________________________________________________________________________
|> >
|> >
|> >      Here is a technical comparison between Atari's new Falcon 030, Commodore's
|> >
|> > new Amiga 1200 and Apple's new Performa 400. All of these machines are aimed at
|> >

[stuff deleted]

|> > DSP                 yes                 no                  no
|> > type                56001               N/A                 N/A
|> > speed(Mhz)          32                  N/A                 N/A
|> > MIPS                16                  N/A                 N/A
|>
|> This seems slightly unfair, just choosing the only significant piece of
|> hardware that the atari has that the others don't, how about adding:
|>
|>   Blitter       Yes                 Yes                 no
|>   Bandwidth            16 bits            64 bits               N/A
|>   Blitter ops          <256              256                 N/A
|>
|>   Copper         NO                 Yes                 no
|>   Parrallax scroll     NO           Yes (Dualpf)        no
|>   (in hardware)  
|>
|>   This is not a flame!! Just redressing the balance a bit.
|>
|>   BTW, does anyone have any information on programming the Falcon sound
|>   chips, i know is 16 bit, 8 channels, but does the DSP do all the work,
|>   does it have FM etc.
|>
|>           -Steve.  
|> --

|> * There is the law of GRAVITY, there is the law of CONSERVATION, there is the *
|> * law of DREDD. You can break the first two, but the last one plays for keeps!*
|> ************************************************- 2000AD on Judge Dredd.*******

Is it just me, or does it seem that the Mac is a bit left out here? :-)

Robert Brown (Amiga 500+ owner).

 
 
 

Falcon030 -vs- 1200 -vs- Performa 400 (Not a flame, Please don't flame)

Post by Kevin J. Klasmei » Fri, 19 Mar 1993 15:58:37




>>                     Atari Falcon        CBM Amiga 1200      Apple Performa 400
>> CPU                 68030               68EC020             68030
>> speed(Mhz)          16                  14.32               16
>> MIPS                3.84                2.5                 3.84
>> data path(bit)      32(16used w/COMBEL) 32                  32(16 used)

>> address space(bit)  24                  24                  24
>> instruction cache   256 bytes           256 bytes           256 bytes
>> data cache          256 bytes           no                  256 bytes

>> FPU                 optional            optional            optional
>> socket on board     yes                 no                  no
>> type                68881/68882         68881/68882         68881/68882

>> DSP                 yes                 no                  no
>> type                56001               N/A                 N/A
>> speed(Mhz)          32                  N/A                 N/A
>> MIPS                16                  N/A                 N/A

>This seems slightly unfair, just choosing the only significant piece of
>hardware that the atari has that the others don't, how about adding:

>  Blitter         Yes                 Yes                 no
>  Bandwidth      16 bits            64 bits               N/A
>  Blitter ops            <256              256                 N/A

>  Copper           NO                 Yes                 no
>  Parrallax scroll     NO             Yes (Dualpf)        no
>  (in hardware)    

>  This is not a flame!! Just redressing the balance a bit.

I would like to restate something, These spec's are right from the
factory. If anything is left out (with the exception of the Blitter chip
and I apologise for that, it should have been caught....though it is
rather understood by everyone now.) then the factory must not have
thought it was a key selling point of their hardware (ie copper).
I have not brought this here to be biased (this is not the media!), just
to see where our beloved computer stands in the real world.

Talk to you later...

                       +-------------------------------------+_
                       | *> Kevin Klasmeier                  | |

                       | *> GEnie: K.KLASMEIER               | |
                       |  [Cincinnati, Ohio in the US of A]  | |
                       +-------------------------------------+ |
                        '--------------------------------------'

 
 
 

Falcon030 -vs- 1200 -vs- Performa 400 (Not a flame, Please don't flame)

Post by Juxtapos » Sat, 20 Mar 1993 09:23:41



Quote:>thought it was a key selling point of their hardware (ie copper).
>I have not brought this here to be biased (this is not the media!), just
>to see where our beloved computer stands in the real world.

        Sorry if this has already been discussed, but just what is the copper
for (sounds like something from a bad 20's-era movie).

        Is it some sort of graphics coprocessor?

>                       +-------------------------------------+_
>                       | *> Kevin Klasmeier                  | |

>                       | *> GEnie: K.KLASMEIER               | |
>                       |  [Cincinnati, Ohio in the US of A]  | |
>                       +-------------------------------------+ |
>                        '--------------------------------------'

-MikeB
 
 
 

Falcon030 -vs- 1200 -vs- Performa 400 (Not a flame, Please don't flame)

Post by Robert M Cos » Sat, 20 Mar 1993 08:45:27


        I'd just like to say thanx for the even-tempered discussion here.
I've had to listen to Atari vs Amiga flaming now for almost *EIGHT* years.
It's tiresome and pointless. I almost bought both the ST and the Amiga in '85
but ended up with the Amiga cause I kept spending money on it. 8-)
                Coz
 
 
 

Falcon030 -vs- 1200 -vs- Performa 400 (Not a flame, Please don't flame)

Post by E.A. Sto » Sun, 21 Mar 1993 05:28:16



>    Sorry if this has already been discussed, but just what is the copper
>for (sounds like something from a bad 20's-era movie).
>    Is it some sort of graphics coprocessor?

Basically.  Its a display list processor that runs small programs which
define and manage the display.  THe Copper can access any of the custom
chip registers (including the ones controlling itself) on the Amiga.  A
copper "program" basically consists of a list of MOVE,WAIT or SKIP
instructions.  MOVE just moves a value into a custom chip register. WAIT
waits for a certain scanline and horizontal position, and I forget the
exact mechanics of SKIP. But I'm sure someone will enlighten me before I
have a chance to go home and look at the hardware manual. :-)

The copper "program" is restarted every VBlank.  A typical "copper list"
for an Amiga display would do something like the following:
(THis is in a very generalized form.. the actual list would be several
MOVE's for each type of operation)

MOVE display type, reg
MOVE dimensions, reg
MOVE colors, reg
MOVE address, reg
WAIT forever

of course, by putting something like this before the "WAIT forever"

WAIT scanline 100
MOVE display type,reg
MOVE colors, reg
MOVE address,reg

you can have two sections of differing resolution and colors on the
same screen.  The copper can also control other custom regs such as the
blitter..etc.  The copper can also cause interrupts.  So basically its
a very easy way of syncronizing to the display.  Keep in mind that the
Copper runs concurrently to everything else in the system as well (hence
the ability to cause interrupts).

--
"THAT is a DRY turtle.  That turtle is NOT moist!"
Ezra Story, a student at RIT, and

 
 
 

Falcon030 -vs- 1200 -vs- Performa 400 (Not a flame, Please don't flame)

Post by Warwick Allis » Tue, 23 Mar 1993 09:09:03




>|>                     Atari Falcon        CBM Amiga 1200      Apple Performa 400
>|> OPERATING SYSTEM
>   ...
>   multitasking type    ????               fully preemptive    cooperative

                        fully preemptive

    memory protection       yes                  no                ????

--
Warwick

 /     * <-- Computer Science Department,   |||||| GEM++ = C++ GEM library    |
 \_.-._/     University of Queensland,    _// || \\_   Both are GNUish = Free |
_____ v ____ Brisbane, Australia. ______ |_/  ||  \_| ________________________|

 
 
 

Falcon030 -vs- 1200 -vs- Performa 400 (Not a flame, Please don't flame)

Post by Stephen Wayne Mill » Tue, 23 Mar 1993 15:13:01



Quote:>>        Sorry if this has already been discussed, but just what is the copper
>>for (sounds like something from a bad 20's-era movie).
>>        Is it some sort of graphics coprocessor?
>Basically.  Its a display list processor that runs small programs which
>define and manage the display.

Completely analogous to the old ANTIC chip in the Atari 8-bit series.

--

 (_      | Delphi:  ATARIO      | "This is only an exhibition.  This is not a
 __)teve | "Happy happy!        |  competition.  So please . . . no wagering."
         |  Joy joy!"  --R & S  |              --Late Night with David Letterman

 
 
 

Falcon030 -vs- 1200 -vs- Performa 400 (Not a flame, Please don't flame)

Post by E.A. Sto » Wed, 24 Mar 1993 05:48:42




>Completely analogous to the old ANTIC chip in the Atari 8-bit series.

Yup!.. expecially since both the ANTIC and the COPPER where designed by
the same person.

--
"THAT is a DRY turtle.  That turtle is NOT moist!"
Ezra Story, a student at RIT, and

 
 
 

Falcon030 -vs- 1200 -vs- Performa 400 (Not a flame, Please don't flame)

Post by Tom Hain » Thu, 25 Mar 1993 01:14:49





> >Completely analogous to the old ANTIC chip in the Atari 8-bit series.

> Yup!.. expecially since both the ANTIC and the COPPER where designed by
> the same person.

So why don't any other Atari machines (ST, STE, Falcon) have an ANTIC/Copper
chip?

--------------------------------Tom.

 
 
 

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