Pak 68/3

Pak 68/3

Post by David Leav » Sat, 13 Sep 1997 04:00:00



Has anyone any good advice on the merits or otherwise of adding a Pak
68/3 to a Mega STe?

Is it, as System Solutions claim, "twice as fast as a TT"?

How about compatibility?

David

David Leaver

10 Goodparla St,
Hawker, ACT 2614
Australia


 
 
 

Pak 68/3

Post by John S. Gr » Mon, 15 Sep 1997 04:00:00


...And I'm interested to know if the ads are true about the 68000
retro-mode option with the board, and if anybody has successfully
installed this, and been able to run Notator SL on such an upgraded unit.
I have posted some variant of this question for a solid year on this
newsgroup, and not one meaninful response. I therefore conclude:

(1) the MIDI users have no desire to upgrade, and in any case are too busy
working on music to surf into this newsgroup, and;

(2) Most of the upgraders are more fond of graphics programs than the
music stuff.

Opinions, anyone?

JG
Duncan's Cove, NS Canada

 
 
 

Pak 68/3

Post by Brian Rola » Mon, 15 Sep 1997 04:00:00



: ...And I'm interested to know if the ads are true about the 68000
: retro-mode option with the board, and if anybody has successfully
: installed this, and been able to run Notator SL on such an upgraded unit.
: I have posted some variant of this question for a solid year on this
: newsgroup, and not one meaninful response. I therefore conclude:
:
: (1) the MIDI users have no desire to upgrade, and in any case are too busy
: working on music to surf into this newsgroup, and;
:
: (2) Most of the upgraders are more fond of graphics programs than the
: music stuff.

(3) Decide to spend the money on something else...like an FX rack,
software, or the bills.

I once wondered the same thing...
I drooled over the PAK 030 ads for about a year...then I figured:
Hummm...I can get a used Falcon...used copy of CuBase Audio, and
a decent VGA monitor for only a bit more than this card cost...and
get Digital Audio on the plus side!  The Falcon doesn't run Notator,
and at times I miss it, but CuBase is just as good...in many ways
much better.

That's what I ended up doing...

Brian

 
 
 

Pak 68/3

Post by Ken Macdonal » Tue, 16 Sep 1997 04:00:00



> ...And I'm interested to know if the ads are true about the 68000
> retro-mode option with the board, and if anybody has successfully
> installed this, and been able to run Notator SL on such an upgraded unit.
> I have posted some variant of this question for a solid year on this
> newsgroup, and not one meaninful response. I therefore conclude:
> (1) the MIDI users have no desire to upgrade, and in any case are too busy
> working on music to surf into this newsgroup, and;
> (2) Most of the upgraders are more fond of graphics programs than the
> music stuff.
> Opinions, anyone?
> JG
> Duncan's Cove, NS Canada

you're probably right on both counts. I'd say that 90% of the musicians
I
know that use the Atari for MIDI can't be bothered to join TAF, and are
not
interested in the Internet.
Certainly, a musician I know uses his 1MB Atari (w/out hard drive) for
Notator
STill! yet he went and paid thousands for a MAC so he could do
graphics?!
Him you might find on the Internet, but not in music/MIDI!

--
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Coinneach Seumas Domhnullaich <=> Kenneth James Macdonald
GraphicArts                      TOS 1.04-1.62-2.05-4.04
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Pak 68/3

Post by Steve Swe » Wed, 17 Sep 1997 04:00:00



SUBJ: Pak 68/3

 l> Has anyone any good advice on the merits or otherwise of adding a Pak
 l> 68/3 to a Mega STe?

Yep, i have, dont wait any longer.

 l> Is it, as System Solutions claim, "twice as fast as a TT"?

I'l post you some gembench figures.

 l> How about compatibility?

Um!!, it dont like PRODATA, and um!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, it dont like
PRODATA.

 Regards from STEve & his nice warm cosey PAK'd   MegaSTE.

*  MegaSTE 40Mhz 68030, 68882 FPU, 4 Meg ST 16 Meg TT RAM Link 97 SCSI II *
-=  This month alone we assimilated to 110% of target.
    Works Manager of Borg.
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Pak 68/3

Post by Steve Swe » Wed, 17 Sep 1997 04:00:00



SUBJ: Pak 68/3

 l> Is it, as System Solutions claim, "twice as fast as a TT"?

Judge for yourself.

GEM Bench v4.03             ? Ofir Gal - 3 March 95
============================================
Mega STE  TOS 2.00
AES v3.99
GEMDOS v0.25
MiNT not present
Blitter Enabled
NVDI 4.11 present
Video Mode: 640*400*2
FPU cookie value=$60000
Run and Malloc from FastRAM
Ref: MSTE, No Blitter + FPU, ST High
Magic 5.11
============================================
GEM Dialog Box:             0.320   1565%
VDI Text:                   0.235   3125%
VDI Text Effects:           0.530   2406%
VDI Small Text:             0.350   1581%
VDI Graphics:               1.225   1122%
GEM Window:                 1.320    171%
Integer Division:           1.245    711%
Float Math:                 0.195    246%
RAM Access:                 0.725    434%
ROM Access:                 0.720    437%
Blitting:                   0.955    654%
VDI Scroll:                 1.105    687%
Justified Text:             1.130    687%
VDI Enquire:                0.275    621%
New Dialogs:                0.585   1003%
============================================
Graphics:                           1238%
CPU:                                 457%
Average:                            1030%

GEM Bench v4.03             ? Ofir Gal - 3 March 95
============================================
Mega STE  TOS 2.00
AES v3.99
GEMDOS v0.25
MiNT not present
Blitter Enabled
NVDI 4.11 present
Video Mode: 640*400*2
FPU cookie value=$60000
Run and Malloc from FastRAM
Ref: TT + Fast RAM + FPU, ST High
Magic 5.11
============================================
GEM Dialog Box:             0.320    985%
VDI Text:                   0.235   1846%
VDI Text Effects:           0.530   1363%
VDI Small Text:             0.350   1165%
VDI Graphics:               1.225    478%
GEM Window:                 1.350     75%
Integer Division:           1.240    124%
Float Math:                 0.195    120%
RAM Access:                 0.710    183%
ROM Access:                 0.710    200%
Blitting:                   0.955    179%
VDI Scroll:                 1.100    259%
Justified Text:             1.130    352%
VDI Enquire:                0.280    389%
New Dialogs:                0.575    566%
============================================
Graphics:                            696%
CPU:                                 156%
Average:                             552%

 Regards from STEve & his nice warm cosey PAK'd   MegaSTE.

*  MegaSTE 40Mhz 68030, 68882 FPU, 4 Meg ST 16 Meg TT RAM Link 97 SCSI II *
-=  ASCII stupid question, get a stupid ANSI.
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Pak 68/3

Post by Steve Swe » Thu, 18 Sep 1997 04:00:00



SUBJ: Pak 68/3

 a> ...And I'm interested to know if the ads are true about the 68000
 a> retro-mode option with the board,

It is!, works fine, and the blitter is then back in circuit.

 a> and if anybody has successfully installed this, and been able to run
 a> Notator SL on such an upgraded unit.

Ive not used this prog, but i can say that the only 'quirk' that ive had with
the 8Mhz mode is that i have to boot the Hard disk driver from floppy, the
autobooting driver falls down. Otherwise it works OK.

 a> I have posted some variant of this question for a solid year on
 a> this newsgroup, and not one meaninful response. I therefore conclude:

Well ask some more, i'l tell you all i know.

 a> (1) the MIDI users have no desire to upgrade, and in any case are too
 a> busy working on music to surf into this newsgroup, and;

I dont see any advantage for pure midi usem the midi ports are still base
unit clocked, and the software will still be ahead of the midi buffers, so i
cant see any benefit.

 a> (2) Most of the upgraders are more fond of graphics programs than the
 a> music stuff.

I use comm's progs and DTP, i listen to music, i dont make it.

 Regards from STEve & his nice warm cosey PAK'd   MegaSTE.

*  MegaSTE 40Mhz 68030, 68882 FPU, 4 Meg ST 16 Meg TT RAM Link 97 SCSI II *
-=  *SYSTEM ERROR* It seems you have made an error in your input,
    You mindless friggin moron,
    go and do it again and get it right this time.
--

 
 
 

Pak 68/3

Post by John S. Gr » Mon, 22 Sep 1997 04:00:00


But please understand that:

(1) Notator SL is sensitive to a number of things. On a Mega STe you must
disable MACCELL.PRG, COLOR.CPX and WCOLORS.CPX, as well as the cache, for
it to run. It is nice as a music programme but quite limited im page
layout.

(2) I have spent a lot of time (way too much time, according to
my wife, and she is right) working in Calamus, both 1.09N and SL95, most
particularly when I took over as editor of an Atari UG newsletter. When
using Calamus, particularly with multi-page documents containing lots of
body copy columns, I crave the speed that the Pak30 can deliver.  

I therefore hope to be able to just magically return to a stock 68000
config. for Notator, then go to afterburners for Calamus. I think that the
PAK30 board will do this, but I really want to hear from someone who has
run Notator on it before I proceede with the modification.

JG

 
 
 

Pak 68/3

Post by Spencer Davi » Mon, 22 Sep 1997 04:00:00



 l>> Is it, as System Solutions claim, "twice as fast as a TT"?
 S> Judge for yourself.
Amateur! ;-)

My non-accelerated TT rates as 4 times faster than a TT (it manages 1121n
CPU but with NVDI and the graphics card rates much faster for video!)

Now my Falcon rates almost 20 times faster than a standard MegaSTe, but thats
another story...

Spencer


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Pak 68/3

Post by Steve Swe » Thu, 25 Sep 1997 04:00:00



SUBJ: Pak 68/3

 l>>> Is it, as System Solutions claim, "twice as fast as a TT"?

 S>> Judge for yourself.

 SD> Amateur! ;-)

For a change i was trying to offer some constructive help Spencer, i wasnt
trying to scratch anyones eyes out.

 SD> My non-accelerated TT rates as 4 times faster than a TT (it manages
 SD> 1121n CPU but with NVDI and the graphics card rates much faster for
 SD> video!)

 SD> Now my Falcon rates almost 20 times faster than a standard MegaSTe, but
 SD> thats another story...

I just offered the specs as produced by machine in the state it was, i wasnt
trying to prove anything else.

The guy wanted to know about the PAK and i told him what i could.

 Regards from STEve & his nice warm cosey PAK'd   MegaSTE.

*  MegaSTE 40Mhz 68030, 68882 FPU, 4 Meg ST 16 Meg TT RAM Link 97 SCSI II *
-=  I tried to attend a meeting on Nondeterministic Chaotic behavior,
    but I couldn't figure out where to go until after it was over.
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Pak 68/3

Post by John S. Gr » Mon, 29 Sep 1997 04:00:00


Still nobody has posted anything about running it in true 68000 mode, abd
under those conditions booting some old kludgy copy-protected MIDIware.

JG