RE-ORG !

RE-ORG !

Post by Domenico De Vit » Wed, 04 Mar 1992 05:02:10



RE-ORG the disk defragmenter, has trashed my (errored) E: partition TWICE
now and it's not funny. I have lost no data, only time.

DON'T USE RE-ORG ON A DRIVE WITH ERRORS AND ALWAYS BACKUP THE DRIVE FIRST !

IN FACT WHY NOT COPY THE WHOLE DAMN PARTITION TO ANOTHER, DELETE ALL THE
FILES ON THAT PARTITION AND THEN COPY THEM BACK ACROSS - WITH A GOOD CACHE
(COLD CACHE v3.5 IS BRILL !) IT'S JUST AS QUICK AND COMPLETELY FOOL-PROOF.

I'm thinking of writing my own -= safe =- file unfragmenter, (and one to find
the blimmin' errors on E:) but as usual time is the problem but if anyone has
any comments/ideas about these (future) developments please mail me.

Don't forget: 'It tastes all wiggly'.

(cryptic comment or wot?)


PS all the above are my comments alone, so don't flame me.

 
 
 

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Post by Scott Willingh » Wed, 04 Mar 1992 11:52:03



  (Domenico De Vitto) writes:

Quote:>RE-ORG the disk defragmenter, has trashed my (errored) E: partition TWICE
>now and it's not funny. I have lost no data, only time.

>DON'T USE RE-ORG ON A DRIVE WITH ERRORS AND ALWAYS BACKUP THE DRIVE FIRST !

Did you obtain reorg.prg with its companion program dlii and documentation?
The documentation clearly states that you must use dlii first to fix a
corrupted partition before running reorg.  If reorg is being distributed
without dlii and docs, you should notify the distributor that he/she is
causing unnecessary grief and possibly data loss to unwary users.



 
 
 

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Post by Michel Forg » Thu, 05 Mar 1992 00:35:51




>   (Domenico De Vitto) writes:
> >RE-ORG the disk defragmenter, has trashed my (errored) E: partition TWICE
> >now and it's not funny. I have lost no data, only time.

> >DON'T USE RE-ORG ON A DRIVE WITH ERRORS AND ALWAYS BACKUP THE DRIVE FIRST !

> Did you obtain reorg.prg with its companion program dlii and documentation?
> The documentation clearly states that you must use dlii first to fix a
> corrupted partition before running reorg.  If reorg is being distributed
> without dlii and docs, you should notify the distributor that he/she is
> causing unnecessary grief and possibly data loss to unwary users.



Even with the companion program, this is a chance you shouldn't take.  I
did everything according to the documentation and it still wiped the
partition.  A *MUCH* better program is Check Disk III by Atari.  It will
do the same thing (but it is far more reliable) and it also has some
other really nice features.

<<  ------------------------------------------  >>


<<               Michel Forget                  >>
<<    "I'm the broken spoke in the Wheel Of     >>
<<   Time!  Do you have a problem with that?"   >>
<<  ------------------------------------------  >>

 
 
 

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Post by Ralph P. Sob » Fri, 06 Mar 1992 20:20:56


Michel> Even with the companion program, this is a chance you shouldn't take.

DLII and REORG *do* have their problems!  But then DLII is *only*
version 0.22 (give or take .01).  To me it seems still the *best* GEM
graphical interface to a disk checker!  If only Simon Poole would have
continued on this further....  Sigh!  Or if he would pass it along....

Michel> I did everything according to the documentation and it still
Michel> wiped the partition.  A *MUCH* better program is Check Disk
Michel> III by Atari.  It will do the same thing (but it is far more
Michel> reliable) and it also has some other really nice features.

Isn't it a shame that this *MUCH* [your emphasis] better program is
*only available to developers?  Why?  Is it only in beta test?  If it
is better Atari should release it.  Developers are not the only people
with hard drives.

I would like a disk checker that when it finds a cross-linked cluster,
it would tell me in which objects it is contained (file or directory).
I currently have a cross-linked cluster in a directory, and amazingly
neither GEM nor gulam see any problems.  DLII goes into a 'memory
exhausted' loop. ;-(

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Post by Roger.Shepp.. » Sun, 08 Mar 1992 22:45:49





> Michel> Even with the companion program, this is a chance you shouldn't take.

> Michel> III by Atari.  It will do the same thing (but it is far more
> Michel> reliable) and it also has some other really nice features.

> Isn't it a shame that this *MUCH* [your emphasis] better program is
> *only available to developers?  Why?  Is it only in beta test?  If it
> is better Atari should release it.  Developers are not the only people
> with hard drives.

Bits removed..
> --
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You will find that Ataries CHKDSK3 is one most archive sites, even on A.A..??
Also ICD's CleanUp will do this as well...
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Post by Michel Forg » Sun, 08 Mar 1992 06:38:03



> >Are you sure this program is only available to developers?  I am not a
> >developer, and I downloaded the file from a local BBS (which has since
> >gone down).  The program didn't come with any documentation and it
> >doesn't say that it is a part of the developers kit.  Is it?  (Would
> >anyone from Atari like to comment on this one?)

> It is only legally available to registered developers as it is covered
> by the confidentiality agreement.

Then someone broke the agreement, I would guess.  I'll stop using the
file until I become a registered developer, then.  Now I have just one
more reason to become a registered developer...

<<  ------------------------------------------  >>


<<               Michel Forget                  >>
<<    "I'm the broken spoke in the Wheel Of     >>
<<   Time!  Do you have a problem with that?"   >>
<<  ------------------------------------------  >>

 
 
 

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Post by Bob Erka » Sun, 08 Mar 1992 00:53:36


In article <RALPH.92Mar5122...@orion.laas.fr> ra...@laas.fr (Ralph P. Sobek) writes:
>>>>>> In article <g7g3gB1w1...@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>,
>>>>>> mfor...@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Michel Forget) writes:

>Michel> Even with the companion program, this is a chance you shouldn't take.

>DLII and REORG *do* have their problems!  But then DLII is *only*
>version 0.22 (give or take .01).  To me it seems still the *best* GEM
>graphical interface to a disk checker!  If only Simon Poole would have
>continued on this further....  Sigh!  Or if he would pass it along....

>Michel> I did everything according to the documentation and it still
>Michel> wiped the partition.  A *MUCH* better program is Check Disk
>Michel> III by Atari.  It will do the same thing (but it is far more
>Michel> reliable) and it also has some other really nice features.

>Isn't it a shame that this *MUCH* [your emphasis] better program is
>*only available to developers?  Why?  Is it only in beta test?  If it
>is better Atari should release it.  Developers are not the only people
>with hard drives.

Not true...see below...you can get CHKDISK3 from Atari for $20 (along with
a bunch of other stuff). Not a bad deal all in all. And it's a great little
program.

Bob

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Post by Robert Lunes » Sun, 08 Mar 1992 00:54:14


Quote:

>Are you sure this program is only available to developers?  I am not a
>developer, and I downloaded the file from a local BBS (which has since
>gone down).  The program didn't come with any documentation and it
>doesn't say that it is a part of the developers kit.  Is it?  (Would
>anyone from Atari like to comment on this one?)

It is only legally available to registered developers as it is covered
by the confidentiality agreement.
 
 
 

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Post by Doug Woko » Mon, 09 Mar 1992 13:06:25



Quote:>Well, if that is the caser then I guess I should point out that there
>is a file on Atari.Archice call chkdsk3.(arc,lzh) Don't remember.  It
>is in the diskutils directory I think..  I saw it there a couple days
>ago.  

        It's listed in the BART index, but it doesn't exist in the ls -lR
file and I have never been able to retrieve it.

        I too would be very interested in obtaining a copy of this program.
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Post by Michel Forg » Sat, 07 Mar 1992 18:26:49



Quote:> Michel> I did everything according to the documentation and it still
> Michel> wiped the partition.  A *MUCH* better program is Check Disk
> Michel> III by Atari.  It will do the same thing (but it is far more
> Michel> reliable) and it also has some other really nice features.

> Isn't it a shame that this *MUCH* [your emphasis] better program is
> *only available to developers?  Why?  Is it only in beta test?  If it
> is better Atari should release it.  Developers are not the only people
> with hard drives.

> I would like a disk checker that when it finds a cross-linked cluster,
> it would tell me in which objects it is contained (file or directory).
> I currently have a cross-linked cluster in a directory, and amazingly
> neither GEM nor gulam see any problems.  DLII goes into a 'memory
> exhausted' loop. ;-(

> --
> Ralph P. Sobek                       Disclaimer: The above ruminations are my own.

Are you sure this program is only available to developers?  I am not a
developer, and I downloaded the file from a local BBS (which has since
gone down).  The program didn't come with any documentation and it
doesn't say that it is a part of the developers kit.  Is it?  (Would
anyone from Atari like to comment on this one?)

<<  ------------------------------------------  >>


<<               Michel Forget                  >>
<<    "I'm the broken spoke in the Wheel Of     >>
<<   Time!  Do you have a problem with that?"   >>
<<  ------------------------------------------  >>

 
 
 

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Post by John B Bun » Sun, 08 Mar 1992 23:12:25



>> It is only legally available to registered developers as it is covered
>> by the confidentiality agreement.
>Then someone broke the agreement, I would guess.  I'll stop using the
>file until I become a registered developer, then.  Now I have just one
>more reason to become a registered developer...

Well, if that is the caser then I guess I should point out that there
is a file on Atari.Archice call chkdsk3.(arc,lzh) Don't remember.  It
is in the diskutils directory I think..  I saw it there a couple days
ago.  

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Post by Clarence T. Cha » Sun, 08 Mar 1992 06:50:53


If you are referring to Simon Poole's RE-ORG, it is released as a part of
his DLII package.  It includes DLII.prg, DLII.rsc, RE-ORG.prg, RE-ORG.rsc,
and DLII.DOC.  If your copy doesn't have the DLII.DOC, it's not legit.
Simon Poole required the package to stay together.

Clarence

 
 
 

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Post by Ralph P. Sob » Fri, 13 Mar 1992 00:03:13



>>>>> (Robert Luneski) writes:

>Are you sure this program is only available to developers?  I am not a
>developer, and I downloaded the file from a local BBS (which has since
>gone down).  The program didn't come with any documentation and it
>doesn't say that it is a part of the developers kit.  Is it?  (Would
>anyone from Atari like to comment on this one?)

Robert> It is only legally available to registered developers as it is
Robert> covered by the confidentiality agreement.

Strange, but it is officially available from Atari France's BBS
(+33)36-15 ATARI.  But then again, this is not the first time that
Atari France and Atari US seem to have different policies.

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